Kodak Price Increases 2022

[NB23]

Not nearly as tired as we are of listening to your self-destructive cynicism.

As for you, mister paul barden, I remember a few posts where you showcased how poor you were these days. Stuff like cutting on heating and food.
Although I try very hard to sympathize with your situation, it is mind boggling that you choose to resent my logical stance towards kodak’s pricing. After all, my position was all about people like you in mind.

LoL.

 

[MattKing]

look: you want kodak to listen to the customers? Stop buying their product.

The last customer that any manufacturer and distributor wants to spend any time on is the one who buys merely on price.

 

[Pieter12]

your client seems to not be a great business mind.

May not be a business genius, but they are still (if maybe barely) in business after decades and are a leader in their field.

 

[NB23]

I am happy that Kodak is working hard to keep up with the demand for their products. The since Kodak got rid of that lousy CEO the management has been doing a good job of listening to the film buying public. Your problem is all about price which would be less of a problem if you bought your car instead of leasing and cut back on the $tarBuck$ Soy Almond Chi Smoked Lattes.

well, this just shows your ignorance. By and large.

About kodak, about the economy, about my car ownership and about my drink preferences.

You obviously are trying to sound interesting. Try harder, your attempts are weak. You have no idea who I am. Get out more.

 

[Sirius Glass]

The last customer that any manufacturer and distributor wants to spend any time on is the one who buys merely on price.

Well stated. Kodak makes superior products and I am willing to pay for the quality so that I can take photographs with the confidence that the film is of the highest quality and I can devote my efforts to working on photography instead of worrying about how good the film is or isn't.

 

[BrianShaw]

May not be a business genius, but they are still (if maybe barely) in business after decades and are a leader in their field.

Doing something right!!!!

 

[Sirius Glass]

well, this just shows your ignorance. By and large.

About kodak, about the economy, about my car ownership and about my drink preferences.

You obviously are trying to sound interesting. Try harder, your attempts are weak. You have no idea who I am. Get out more.

And you are a film expert because you worked at which film company or is it based on what you ate for breakfast.

I worked at Kodak and for electro-optical systems for several other companies. Your expertise is based on how many pennies you spend?

 

[Don_ih]

The last customer that any manufacturer and distributor wants to spend any time on is the one who buys merely on price.

To be fair, Kodak seems mostly interested in new customers who will buy a disposable camera once, maybe buy some rolls of Ektachrome that never get developed - it's all good as long as the pictures of the boxes get on Instagram. At least that's the way their PR makes it look. As in, go to their website. Go to their Instagram account where they repost the most digital-looking film photos they can find (they reposted an actual digital one a couple of years ago, that was processed with a "film" filter).
At least they still make good film. But the price makes people treat it like a precious commodity when they do finally buy it. You can't pretend that they don't know people curtail their purchases due to price. They need to dedicate themselves to every one of their potential customers.

 

[faberryman]

Your problem is all about price which would be less of a problem if you bought your car instead of leasing and cut back on the $tarBuck$ Soy Almond Chi Smoked Lattes.

So I know what a latte is, sort of. And I guess the soy almond part is like milk, sort of. And Chi is a kind of tea, sort of. But why would you drink all that stuff together, and pay a premium to do so? That seems a lot dumber than buying a roll of Tri-X even if Kodak is taking all of us to the cleaners.

 

[Pieter12]

If raising prices keeps a business running and paying its obligations, that's how it goes. Raising prices and cutting costs to fill shareholders' (or hedge-funds') pockets is bad shit.

 

[Pieter12]

But the price makes people treat it like a precious commodity

When I started out, it was a precious commodity. Every frame was important, not to be wasted. I don't think film prices have increased anywhere near income increases over the last 50 years.

 

[NB23]

The last customer that any manufacturer and distributor wants to spend any time on is the one who buys merely on price.

Enough of the ignorant bullshit, guys. Please!

I burn at least 300 rolls of film per year, printed through 19,000 sheets of paper in 2021 alone.

I go through gallons and gallons of fixer.

I am what is properly called a Premium Customer.

 

[MattKing]

To be fair, Kodak seems mostly interested in new customers who will buy a disposable camera once, maybe buy some rolls of Ektachrome that never get developed - it's all good as long as the pictures of the boxes get on Instagram. At least that's the way their PR makes it look. As in, go to their website. Go to their Instagram account where they repost the most digital-looking film photos they can find (they reposted an actual digital one a couple of years ago, that was processed with a "film" filter).
At least they still make good film. But the price makes people treat it like a precious commodity when they do finally buy it. You can't pretend that they don't know people curtail their purchases due to price. They need to dedicate themselves to every one of their potential customers.

I'm not sure that advertising or other mainstream public relations efforts make sense any more when it comes to film and experienced users.
Right now I think their efforts are focused on keeping the quality high and getting enough product out to keep the business viable. The prices reflect all the difficulties that currently present themselves.
All the film companies are struggling with costs and a myriad of other difficulties. In Kodak's case, what was once their strength (widespread worldwide distribution) is now a difficulty.

 

[MattKing]

Enough of the ignorant bullshit, guys. Please!

I burn at least 300 rolls of film per year, printed through 19,000 sheets of paper in 2021 alone.

I go through gallons and gallons of fixer.

I am what is properly called a Premium Customer.

And you are extra-ordinarily unusual. If they had built their model on you, they would have long ago closed their doors.

 

[Pieter12]

Enough of the ignorant bullshit, guys. Please!

I burn at least 300 rolls of film per year, printed through 19,000 sheets of paper in 2021 alone.

I go through gallons and gallons of fixer.

I am what is properly called a Premium Customer.

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Don_ih]

I'm not sure that advertising or other mainstream public relations efforts make sense any more when it comes to film and experienced users.

Practically every casual picture-taker (as in not photographer) thinks that film is extinct.

 

[Pieter12]

I'm not sure that advertising or other mainstream public relations efforts make sense any more when it comes to film and experienced users.

It keeps them in the public eye. How many times have folks said, "they still make film?" Well, Kodak wants the public to be aware they are still in business and they still make film. Just in case someone becomes interested in buying some.

 

[Pieter12]

Doing something right!!!!

Yeah. Like not having much competition.

 

[Sirius Glass]

So I know what a latte is, sort of. And I guess the soy almond part is like milk, sort of. And Chi is a kind of tea, sort of. But why would you drink all that stuff together, and pay a premium to do so? That seems a lot dumber than buying a roll of Tri-X even if Kodak is taking all of us to the cleaners.

You are correct. So I buy Tri-X instead.

 

[BrianShaw]

Yeah. Like not having much competition.

That helps. Having more money coming in than going out also helps. Positive cash flow cures a multitude of sins and inefficiencies. When that changes is when it gets tough.

 

[Pieter12]

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That helps. Having more money coming in than going out also helps. Positive cash flow cures a multitude of sins and inefficiencies. When that changes is when it gets tough.

Having little competition allows the manufacturer in this case to charge what the market will bear--which is quite a lot. Obviously, that charge is enough to keep them in business, cover their obligations and make a profit every year.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

Superior quality control is the main reason Kodak film has been popular for over a century.

It is the main reason I buy it. The performance is impressive but I would be happy with ILFORD films if they could ensure good results, i.e in principle a solution to the backing paper mottling problems.

 

[Sirius Glass]

It is the main reason I buy it. The performance is impressive but I would be happy with ILFORD films if they could ensure good results, i.e in principle a solution to the backing paper mottling problems.

And it would be great if Ilford got back into the C-41 film business.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

If raising prices keeps a business running and paying its obligations, that's how it goes. Raising prices and cutting costs to fill shareholders' (or hedge-funds') pockets is bad shit.

The problem is raising prices due to inflation does create problems for companies that they're aware of. People would rather spend the ever-reducing purchasing power of their money on food. Demand for film and other discretionary activities go down. That reduces sales and profits. They have to cut back and lay off people. If demand goes down enough on a particular film, they stop its production because they cannot make a profit. We've seen that with many film products.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

When I started out, it was a precious commodity. Every frame was important, not to be wasted. I don't think film prices have increased anywhere near income increases over the last 50 years.

But options created by digital have made the decision process affected by price. You can move to digital whereas before you were stuck with film.