Kodak Price Increases 2022

[BrianShaw]

As that isn't where the costs are, that won't work.

But seems like everybody is doing it so there must be a benefit.

 

[MattKing]

But seems like everybody is doing it so there must be a benefit.

Speaking generally, the actual manufacture of uncut film isn't where the cost spikes mainly are, so including less film in each roll doesn't save much money.

 

[Pieter12]

Let's face it. Film is an unnecessary luxury item for a few hobbyists and artists. Whether Kodak increases their prices or people stop buying it and they stop making it will not have any impact whatsoever.

 

[mshchem]

That's because this particular market is literally unimportant financially.

No kidding!! Let's be optimistic and say all the world's AgX, film, paper, chemistry etc is $1 billion US.
APPLE market value is 3 trillion, just APPLE!!

3000 billion dollars in equity value for APPL vs 0.340 billion for KODK. And the film sales are a tiny fraction of Eastman Kodak business.

We need a benefactor, a patreon, some obscenely rich dude that would give away cameras and film.

 

[BrianShaw]

Speaking generally, the actual manufacture of uncut film isn't where the cost spikes mainly are, so including less film in each roll doesn't save much money.

So selling less for more money isn’t beneficial to the bottom line. Interesting.

 

[BrianShaw]

Let's face it. Film is an unnecessary luxury item for a few hobbyists and artists. Whether Kodak increases their prices or people stop buying it and they stop making it will not have any impact whatsoever.

Amen, brother. Truth.

 

[Wallendo]

I expect prices to go up somewhat every year, but 20-30% every year is unsustainable. I am willing to pay a small extra charge for Kodak film over other brands, but only to a certain degree. I still find their B&W products affordable. If C-41 keeps rising dramatically, I will likely return to shooting color primarily with digital. I will still shoot some EktaChrome, Velvia, or Provia even at higher cost because it is worth it.

I'm not sure what these threads accomplish. Ilford also raises prices every year. Foma films are more expensive (and there is now only minimal savings buying the Arista EDU Ultra rebrand). Fiju is more secretive, but their consumer C-41 films have gotten quite pricey lately and their E6 products seem to be luxury items. Nevertheless, my biggest investment in photography is still the cost of my time, so I will continue to shoot B&W, and hope to start printing in the next few months.

 

[Pieter12]

So selling less for more money isn’t beneficial to the bottom line. Interesting.

Surprisingly for many items, the actual product is the least costly component. For example, the can (especially the lid) costs more than the soda inside. Add transportation and distribution, including incremental mark-ups by middle-men, and there's even more you pay for than the useable product itself.

 

[BrianShaw]

Surprisingly for many items, the actual product is the least costly component. For example, the can (especially the lid) costs more than the soda inside. Add transportation and distribution, including incremental mark-ups by middle-men, and there's even more you pay for than the useable product itself.

I believe it. But hypothesizing the entire cost chain in the absence of real knowledge is a fools errand. Let’s keep it simple: no matter what the costs before the retail price may be… if a consumer is paying more money for less product than one previously received, then more money than before is going out of our pocket and into the coffers of others while less product is in the consumers hand. Whether that turns into profit or just a bit less debt is their business. This shouldn’t be a surprise for any of us who are buying anything, and certainly such an undeniable truth that no amount of know-it-all assessments changes. Perhaps those assessments rationalize it but my wallet is getting thinner day by day by inflation. So I either suck it up and pay, or don’t.

 

[Pieter12]

I believe it. But hypothesizing the entire cost chain in the absence of real knowledge is a fools errand. Let’s keep it simple: no matter what the costs before the retail price may be… if a consumer is paying more money for less product than one previously received, then more money than before is going out of our pocket and into the coffers of others while less product is in the consumers hand. .

And? Business is like a shark, it needs to keep moving (growing, expanding or somehow increasing income and profit). Especially a publicly-traded one. The shareholders demand returns.

 

[BrianShaw]

And? Business is like a shark, it needs to keep moving (growing, expanding or somehow increasing income and profit). Especially a publicly-traded one. The shareholders demand returns.

Yup. It’s true for all business, even not-for-profits. In that case it’s not “profit” but fees that get reinvested in capital acquisition that makes them a more valuable and sustainable business.

 

[faberryman]

So I either suck it up and pay, or don’t.

That's how these things generally work.

 

[Pieter12]

hypothesizing the entire cost chain in the absence of real knowledge is a fools errand.

Making almost anything entails so many costs and materials that it can be quite difficult to keep track of accurately. Materials, R&D, labor, improvements, waste, incentives, all have to be paid for somehow. A client I worked for did not know the actual unit cost of the product they sold. And this was a major manufacturer.

 

[Sirius Glass]

i’m a bit tired of such discourse.

You know, instead of accepting high hikes in order “for kodak to maintain its heavenly products alive”, it would maybe be a better idea to just stop buying.

This way, this message, would make them adress the situation in a perhaps more intelligent way. I feel there is a lot of greediness involved in the kodak pricing. A lot of money is not involved in the production but merely paying pensions, high salaries, and following a preset inflation curb that is not necessarily reflecting reality.

No, really, to stop buying kodak for a while would send a better message than to continue buying and while kissing their asses thankfully.

Let’s face it: they have been the worst managed company that the earth ever saw. They do not have my sympathies nor they should have any smart man’s sympathy.

Good if you stop buying Kodak products there will be more available for me. Thank you for your service. How long have you had suicidal tendencies?

 

[Sirius Glass]

I haven't seen any quality control issues with recent Kodak film.

Superior quality control is the main reason Kodak film has been popular for over a century.

 

[faberryman]

i’m a bit tired of such discourse.

You know, instead of accepting high hikes in order “for kodak to maintain its heavenly products alive”, it would maybe be a better idea to just stop buying.

This way, this message, would make them adress the situation in a perhaps more intelligent way. I feel there is a lot of greediness involved in the kodak pricing. A lot of money is not involved in the production but merely paying pensions, high salaries, and following a preset inflation curb that is not necessarily reflecting reality.

No, really, to stop buying kodak for a while would send a better message than to continue buying and while kissing their asses thankfully.

Let’s face it: they have been the worst managed company that the earth ever saw. They do not have my sympathies nor they should have any smart man’s sympathy.

If you don't want to buy Kodak products, don't buy Kodak products. It is entirely up to you.

 

[BrianShaw]

Making almost anything entails so many costs and materials that it can be quite difficult to keep track of accurately. Materials, R&D, labor, improvements, waste, incentives, all have to be paid for somehow. A client I worked for did not know the actual unit cost of the product they sold. And this was a major manufacturer.

Yes, the costs are diverse and your client seems to not be a great business mind. My point was in a broader context than you quoted and commented; very simply: folks on Photrio don’t have that kind of data and are just hypothesizing. A fools errand when one is guessing; Not really credible. And intentionally convoluting rather simple discussions is

 

[VinceInMT]

Yes, prices, on most everything, go up. My goal has always been to keep my income ahead of the increases so it doesn’t impact what I choose to buy. Availability is another issue and, sometimes, I am just happy to find what I wanted. For example, a fuel pump for my 1959 Volvo or a belt for my Muntz 4- and 8-track player. Some photo products I used to use, like Agfa papers, I just learned to live without and found a replacement.

 

[Don_ih]

Ah, Agfa papers .... all greying gracefully....

 

[Deleted member 88956]

i’m a bit tired of such discourse.

You know, instead of accepting high hikes in order “for kodak to maintain its heavenly products alive”, it would maybe be a better idea to just stop buying.

This way, this message, would make them adress the situation in a perhaps more intelligent way. I feel there is a lot of greediness involved in the kodak pricing. A lot of money is not involved in the production but merely paying pensions, high salaries, and following a preset inflation curb that is not necessarily reflecting reality.

No, really, to stop buying kodak for a while would send a better message than to continue buying and while kissing their asses thankfully.

Let’s face it: they have been the worst managed company that the earth ever saw. They do not have my sympathies nor they should have any smart man’s sympathy.

+11

 

[NB23]

Not nearly as tired as we are of listening to your self-destructive cynicism.

Please, let me laugh.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Not nearly as tired as we are of listening to your self-destructive cynicism.

 

[MattKing]

A lot of money is not involved in the production but merely paying pensions,

Glad you think that they should just leave the pensioners high and dry .

 

[NB23]

Good if you stop buying Kodak products there will be more available for me. Thank you for your service. How long have you had suicidal tendencies?

Smart-assery doesn’t work with me.

suicidal in what sense?

look: you want kodak to listen to the customers? Stop buying their product.

i’m afraid this concept might be hard for you to grasp.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Smart-assery doesn’t work with me.

suicidal in what sense?

look: you want kodak to listen to the customers? Stop buying their product.

i’m afraid this concept might be hard for you to grasp.

I am happy that Kodak is working hard to keep up with the demand for their products. The since Kodak got rid of that lousy CEO the management has been doing a good job of listening to the film buying public. Your problem is all about price which would be less of a problem if you bought your car instead of leasing and cut back on the $tarBuck$ Soy Almond Chi Smoked Lattes.