Kodak Polytoner and alternative sepia/sulfide toners

[Guillaume Zuili]

I just finished my last bottle. If somebody have some and no use I will take it.
Thanks.
G.

 

[Arthurwg]

As you probably know, you can make it pretty easily. You can find the recipe on line if you search. BTW, I have a large bottle of Kodak Brown if you are interested.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

I know and it doesn't give the same result. Thanks

 

[mshchem]

Kodak published the formula for Polytoner, mix of Kodak Brown toner and Kodak rapid selenium toner. Polytoner was (is) great stuff, I have good ventilation but I don't use a lot of sulfide toners.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

Here it is : https://125px.com/docs/techpubs/kodak/CIS268-2005_10.pdf

It took me almost ten years to finish five 1 liter bottles of Polytoner. I understand why Kodak stopped selling it !

 

[koraks]

Have you considered Moersch MT2 Carbon toner? It's also a selenium/sulfide toner. At least it's still being produced.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

I have been using them for a while trying to preserve the last Kodak drops.
Best are MT4 Siena and MT5 Sepia for my taste of course. MT4 the closest to Poly but still different.
Got some Viradon (old), great stuff but same...still different.
So MT4 is my main toner now.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

I have been using them for a while trying to preserve the last Kodak drops.
Best are MT4 Siena and MT5 Sepia for my taste of course. MT4 the closest to Poly but still different.
Got some Viradon (old), great stuff but same...still different.
So MT4 is my main toner now.

It's actually not that easy to make poly toner yourself, but one could try the concentration of black salt available in most Asian food stores.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

It's actually not that easy to make poly toner yourself, but one could try the concentration of black salt available in most Asian food stores.

Agree. Not easy

 

[Philippe-Georges]

It's actually not that easy to make poly toner yourself, but one could try the concentration of black salt available in most Asian food stores.

Could you please explain the black salt procédé?

 

[MattKing]

This may help:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/resources/kala-namak-sepia-toner-for-indirect-toning.451/

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Could you please explain the black salt procédé?

Black, Himalayan salt aka Kala Namak has a high sulfur content and is water soluble. Start with the 2% solution by weight but you can work it up to 10% by wait for different results.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

Very interesting that black salt. Thanks Ralph

 

[MattKing]

At the request of the OP, I've moved this thread out of the Classifieds.

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

Slightly off topic, does anyone have a spoon measuring formula for direct polysulphide toner?

 

[analogMKE]

Making a Sodium Polysulfide toner is pretty easy, although it takes time.

1 Teaspoon Sulfur (15 ml) ~5 grams
1 Tablespoon Sodium Sulfide (45 ml) ~ 15 grams
1 Liter Water

Mix the ingredients in a bottle and agitate. At room temperature it takes approximately 3 weeks for the Sodium Sulfide and the Sulfur to fully react. Daily agitation speeds the reaction time.

Below is a photo of the toner. The bottle on the left was mixed three day prior to the photo. There is still unreacted sulfur. Bottle on the right was mixed this spring.

This is a working strength formula.

In my darkroom a newly mixed batch produces little color change with Ilford Multigrade RC paper. Older solutions will produce more color change. You can change the working properties by reducing the pH using borax or citric acid. I will defer to Tim Rudman's book 'The Photographer's Toning Book' for details on polysulfide toning .

I learned a lot about Polysulfide toners at the Image Permanence Institute website regarding the Silverlock toner that they use to make. You would need to check if info is still available online.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

2 bottles of Kodak Polytoner are on their way thanks to a savior !

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

{Moderator edit: this thread originally appeared in the Classifieds as a search for polytoner. OP has found their toner, but since the discussion has also involved some alternative solutions (no pun intended), we decided to move & merge the thread to its present location so that this information can help others and be expanded upon.}

Looking for some Polytoner.
Thanks. G

 

[Arthurwg]

Me too. Down to my last bottle. But there are recipes on-line to make it yourself. But I think you need Kodak Brown toner, also difficult to find.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

Me too. Down to my last bottle. But there are recipes on-line to make it yourself. But I think you need Kodak Brown toner, also difficult to find.

Same for me.
Recipes all lack a key ingredient. Brown toner (I have some) and selenium doesn't make it the same.

 

[Peter Schrager]

I'll take a good look around and see if anyone I know has any

 

[mshchem]

Pretty sure a good substitute for Kodak Brown toner is Kodak Polysulfide toner T-8.
7.5 grams Liver of sulfur
2.5 grams sodium carbonate monohydrate
Water to make 1 liter.

Stinks to high heaven!

Takes 10-15 minutes at room temperature, yields a pleasing dark brown tone.

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

I'll take a good look around and see if anyone I know has any

Thanks Peter !

 

[MattKing]

In case you haven't seen it, there is the Kodak document: Substitute for Polytoner

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

Pretty sure a good substitute for Kodak Brown toner is Kodak Polysulfide toner T-8.
7.5 grams Liver of sulfur
2.5 grams sodium carbonate monohydrate
Water to make 1 liter.

Stinks to high heaven!

Takes 10-15 minutes at room temperature, yields a pleasing dark brown tone.

I'm famous for stinking my whole building...!
My friends did this to make fun of me

Matt, I know of this substitute but I dont want to play with selenium powder.