" pre-digital era film was being consumed not by photographers"
You left out every photojournalist, magazine & newspaper photographer.....
Just to point out, pre-digital era film was being consumed not by photographers but really by people taking snapshots on point and shoots and disposables. Fill will never be in every home again and that's not the goal of the film community. Cameras will never again be in every home either. The day of the camera and film has passed, the same can be said for many things like personal computers and landlines. That doesn't mean there is room for growth and improvement. People still paint with brushes and write with pens. People still ride motorcycles and manual vehicles. Horses are still ridden for fun and still have a use for work. Film will join the ranks of tools once used by all but now have a specific use.
I think Plus-X may come back because it fills in a gap in Kodaks line. Unless they start marketing Double X to fill that gap which is fine by me too.
" pre-digital era film was being consumed not by photographers"
You left out every photojournalist, magazine & newspaper photographer.....
Have you tried comparing it to Delta 400 instead? The characteristic curves line up nicely, although the speed and grain are different of course.I dont find FP4+ looks anything like it.
Have you tried comparing it to Delta 400 instead? The characteristic curves line up nicely, although the speed and grain are different of course.
not only speed & grain, but also perhaps more importantly in printing ....tonality. To echo the former post... "show me the print"...means more to me than any curves comparison
It would be interesting to see the statistics from the era. How much film was used by amateurs?....& how many families used the same roll of film for all the birthdays and holidays for a year? I think you figures (1500 newspapers) are very USA centric.... compared to this # of newspapers....
"The data on books published displayed on the Worldometer's counter is based on statistics elaborated by WAN, the Paris based World Association of Newspapers, which represents 18,000 newspapers; its membership includes 76 national newspaper associations, newspaper companies and individual newspaper executives in 102 ..."
& you haven't accounted for the use of film in the movie industry....which was significant.
I did mention that it was USA centric.
Again, the movie film industry is huge. So huge that it's what's keeping film alive right now. However, amateurs were the heart and soul of film sales. How much film did Walgreens, Revco, Boots, Walmart, Kmart, Sears and everyone else sell and process? The minilab in my local place ran 24/7/365 it never stopped.
My apologies...yes you did say USA.
I still hold faint hope of seeing Kodak reissue any old films.....
I'm still amazed they did that gutsy move. If P3200 and Ekatchrome are selling well I would think they'd keep filling out the line too.They brought back Ektachrome, I think they have it in them to do a black and white.
Due to its considerable development versatility, TMax was the silver bullet intended to kill off once for all several popular films, including Pan X, Plus X, Super-XX, and Tri-X. But old dogs don't like learning new tricks, and some had a sentimental attachment to the shotgun grain of good ole Triassic-X, so that's the one dinosaur which barely survived the mass extinction event. There's no reason for the others to come back.
Now, as per Delta 100, yeah, it is the closest in toe shape to Plus X Pan; but if you overdevelop it much at all to increase the highlight separation, the whole curve tends to go steeper and get contrasty. But since it is
available, and Plus X isn't, might as well learn a new trick and at least try it.
"Show me the print"?? I could show you five different prints made from five different films, and probably not one of you could tell me which was made from which. Yes, films differ quite a bit in certain characteristics; but there are also quite a number of film development and printing options which make the situation quite malleable. I explored Delta 100 as a possible replacement for TMax 100 if that ever got scarce. I distinctly prefer TMax; but if it dried up, I know how to force D100 into the same pair of shoes. But if I were trying to mimic Plus X instead, using D100, I'd be developing it in a whole different manner than like for pseudo-TMX.
Inviting digital into the conversation on a 100% analog thread? Tisk tisk.I don't mind being sentimental about film. But I use it because it still delivers the highest quality results and can be optically printed. Whatcha gonna do - spend as much on a MF digital back as on a car, just to hope to mimic 645 results at best? And then the darn thing will be software-obsolete five years later. And then you'll really get nostalgic about film.
I mean when we get down to it isn't film all about sentimental attachment these days?
The same can be said about our cameras...
There's only one camera I'm sentimental over, and I traded it away many years ago for a motorcycle. My first 35mm SLR, and I immediately replaced it with a much better camera. I miss the motorbike more than I miss the camera, and I miss my friend that I did the deal with more than that..
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