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Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

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BrianShaw said:
Not as warm as Gold, or different grain structure? How would you compare it with ColorPlus?
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To me, Gold 200 has more yellow and to a lesser degree more blue. The Kodacolor 200 has more balanced palette in red and green, and less yellow. Also Kodacolor 200 has higher saturation (which I like), and slightly more grain than Gold 200. But I like the grain structure of Kodacolor 200.

I have never used Color Plus so I don't have any comparison there.

In terms of Kodacolor 100, it looks more like Kodak Pro Image 100.
 

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When it gets to a store near me I may try a roll or two. Of course that could take awhile so I am not holding my breath. D
 

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Isn't Kodacolor 200 just ColorPlus, or at best a derivative of it? I believe the cannisters for ColorPlus were even marked as "Kodacolor 200".
 

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polaromar said:
Isn't Kodacolor 200 just ColorPlus, or at best a derivative of it? I believe the cannisters for ColorPlus were even marked as "Kodacolor 200".
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I've had this happen in the past. Ordered Color+ and got Koda cans.
 

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polaromar said:
Isn't Kodacolor 200 just ColorPlus, or at best a derivative of it? I believe the cannisters for ColorPlus were even marked as "Kodacolor 200".
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As far as I can tell, yes. As a long-time lover of Colorplus over Gold, I'm glad to see it back in the hands of Eastman Kodak.
 

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Ive got a roll or two of that lucky film from China, its supposed to be made on a kodacolor formula that Kodak licenced to the company inching or something. Ive got a few photos ive taken on it, might be a good comparison to shoot a roll of this side by side to see if it has any resemblance to this modern kodacolor.
 

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As far as I can tell, yes. As a long-time lover of Colorplus over Gold, I'm glad to see it back in the hands of Eastman Kodak.
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Absolutely. All of this can only be good for film photography.


Would be curious to see! The test shots I've seen of Lucky look more comparable to NC500 or Phoenix II but I don't think many people have compared it to Kodak yet, in a like-to-like manner.
 

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Every Color Plus film that I've bought, and that must be a couple of hundred over the years, has been marked "Kodacolor" on the cassette.

I also prefer it over Gold in most circumstances, though I've found that I love Gold in 120 on older folding cameras with lenses probably designed more with B&W in mind.
 

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Agulliver said:
I love Gold in 120 on older folding cameras with lenses probably designed more with B&W in mind.
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Same here, it's decent on the lower contrast lenses of the Pentacon Six system. Thanks for the idea regarding the folders.
 

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Ive shot a bit of lucky, its not actually that bad to be honest, I would consider it a more neutral colour palette which is not a bad thing.
I had to look up what NC500 and Phoenix II even were, its great news to see some more colour films on the market which is good to see.
 

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I shot a comparison of Kodak (Alaris) Pro Image, and Kodak (Eastman) Kodacolor 100 today. Grey Card and Macbeth charts, same camera, lens, in daylight. Processed in the same tank, printed together on some of the Endura I do most of my work prints and testing on.

Based on my results, I think they're different.
 

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@Aidan Sciortino, thanks for doing this!

Your comparison shows differences in same direction as my comparison of Lomography CN 100 and ProImage 100 that I posted here on Photrio a while ago (same lens, same development, scanned in one go):



So, the new Kodacolor 100 is closer to Lomography CN 100 than ProImage 100 (if not the same).
 

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Wonderful job testing it! This, along with the fact that Kodacolor should be refrigerated, should end any speculation about it being ProImage. I've never tried Lomo CN100 but it makes sense to me that this is the same (or related) formulation.

Regarding ProImage disappearing from Alaris' homepage, my take is that it means they're no longer going to distribute it in the States. This isn't particularly strange as ProImage was meant for hot and humid climate stability, and only recently started to be sold in NA. It's not a popular film here and it doesn't really have any advantage over existing Kodak products.
 

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polaromar said:
It's not a popular film here and it doesn't really have any advantage over existing Kodak products.
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I think the colors in ProImage are better than their other budget offerings. It's like Portra, but with more grain. I wanted to shoot some the other day, turns out I had finished the 10 pack. Well, Blue Moon had a sale on Portra 160, so no big deal.

The main thing that keeps me away from the other budget Kodak films is I can't abide by their color rendering.
 

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Is it budget? I thought it was similarly priced to Portra, since it is a professional, not consumer film. Happy to be corrected though.

I feel similarly regarding Gold, not the biggest fan of it. I love Ektar and Ektachrome but I always end up going ORWO for consumer film, there's something more fun about it despite the grain and lower tech level.
 

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polaromar said:
Regarding ProImage disappearing from Alaris' homepage, my take is that it means they're no longer going to distribute it in the States.
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I wouldn't take the "disappearance" as an indication of future availability of ProImage 100 in the US as it never (AFAIK) was featured on Alaris' homepage (I also went through the trouble of checking Alaris' old webpages on WayBackMachine and came up empty, maybe someone else had more success?).

polaromar said:
This isn't particularly strange as ProImage was meant for hot and humid climate stability, and only recently started to be sold in NA. It's not a popular film here and it doesn't really have any advantage over existing Kodak products.
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Although I'm definitely not a fan of Pro Image or Lomo CN 100, I'd still prefer if Kodacolor 100 was ProImage and not Lomo CN 100.
 

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Excellent contribution!!

Horrible color shifts when underexposing Pro Image 100 ... !

polaromar said:
ProImage was meant for hot and humid climate stability, and only recently started to be sold in NA.
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Exactly. As i've mentioned before on this forum, this was film intended for certain markets like south america.
 

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Thanks @Aidan Sciortino and @brbo We’re pretty good at reverse engineering here at Photrio

As for Kodak Pro Image 100 being made for hot, humid climates, that’s mostly an urban legend. All modern films from the last couple of decades can handle such conditions with ease.
 

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Erm, just realised that my comparison between ProImage 100 and Lomo CN 100 had the ProImage 100 as leaning to cyan and Lomo 100 to magenta (when using the same filtration), but @Aidan Sciortino has Kodakcolor 100 as the cooler one compared to ProImage 100. So, Kodakcolor 100 compared to Lomo 100 should show even bigger difference. Huh!

Well, high time that I make my Kodacolor 100 vs Lomo CN 100 comparison. I have Kodacolor 100 and should have Lomo CN 100 in a day or two...
 
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Is it budget?
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Pro Image was been sold somewhere in the $30-$40 range for a 5-pack in 2023. Portra 160 5-packs were in the $60-$70 range... looks like the price of Pro Image increased while Portra stayed pretty much the same.
 

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I also came to that conclusion in the videos I posted a month ago. No one seemed to care much though. Would you say that Kodacolor 100 is Lomo 100 (Kodak VR Plus 100)? This is what I was thinking by the end of my testing, but wasnt 100 percent sure.
 

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braxus said:
I also came to that conclusion in the videos I posted a month ago. No one seemed to care much though. Would you say that Kodacolor 100 is Lomo 100 (Kodak VR Plus 100)? This is what I was thinking by the end of my testing, but wasnt 100 percent sure.
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I haven’t had a chance to test Lomo. Could you link your video? I would like to watch it.
 
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