The "Right To Work" legislation is passing in more and more states indicating that there is some reluctance to join unions...
The passage of "right to work for less" legislation in states is a product of collaboration between the legislators and the corporations that own them. Take a look at the reaction in Wisconsin and Indiana to union-stripping laws, including successfully overturning one of them so far (along with recalling a number of the legislators who voted for it) and ongoing actions with the goal of continuing to reverse these things. There's no reluctance to join or for others to support a right to join unions.
...And, our state budgets and federal budgets are overwhelmed with entitlements imposed by civil service unions. Therefore we have a high wage base and a high entitlement burden. This is both good and bad. The good sets our standard of living and protects us in our old age, but the bad forces jobs overseas...
The budgets are overwhelmed by intentional revenue reductions, not "entitlements." This has been a deliberate, systematic series of actions over the last three decades by those who would 'starve government so it can be eliminated.' Or as close to eliminated as possible. Except for those aspects of it they wish to rob for themselves.
...another "bad" is that civil service entitlements begin after much shorter service than those in industry thus allowing long payments and double dipping...
In general, excepting cases of criminal conduct, the ability of civil servants to retire after fewer years than private sector jobs typically require is limited to police and fire personnel. The reasoning behind what might seem like an overly generous arrangement is that those two jobs make extreme demands on the health of those doing them, thus justifying shorter careers. The retirement benefits (dollar payments, medical coverage, etc.) granted retirees, regardless of whether their employment agreements / union contracts required any contributions on their part, are deferred compensation. Referring to them as "entitlements" connotes "welfare" or "something for nothing." Nothing could be further from the truth. Retirement benefits are earned and owed to the retirees.
If someone retires from a public employment position, collects the retirement benefits they are owed as a result, then takes another job that offers benefits of any kind, they're not "double dipping." They're earning additional compensation for additional work.
...in terms of "entitlements" locally, we have civil service employees that can retire after 20 - 30 years service with nearly full pay and total health care benefits for life. If that is not an entitlement, IDK what is, as it is fully paid by the taxpayer. NYS is now fighting out this problem regarding police, firemen and other civil service including teachers...
I already addressed police and fire positions, but teachers are another matter. When we left NY State in 1978, my wife withdrew her NYS Teachers' Retirement System funds, so I haven't kept up with the latest specifics there, but doubt it's more generous than other states' systems, particularly California's, with which I
am intimately familiar. Typical teachers' retirement systems offer nothing even approximating full pay after 20 years service. After 34 years here, my wife still hasn't come close to a benefit of that magnitude. Also, medical coverage is a matter addressed (if at all) by each individual school district - teacher union contract, not a vested benefit administered by the state system. If and when offered, it can end at any time, i.e. should it be negotiated away in the next contract.
...to me a benefit is earned by joint contribution over a reasonable employment and kicks in upon retirement but is regulated in the US by law as to age and what can be collected. An entitlement is a lifetime benefit that is paid over a persons lifetime and can be given after rather short terms of employment such as 20 years or so, and which has often received no funds from the employee...
Those are terms and "definitions" used by politicians to stir up resentment in support of those who "own" the politicians. In the private sector, a "vested benefit" is one resulting from an employment relationship that is addressed by ERISA and covered by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. Public sector employees are subject to similar arrangements, covered in statues of the states. The duration of employment required to earn vested benefits is explicitly spelled out in their associated plans, which are made formal and provided to employees. "Entitlement" has no meaning in this arena. Things that aren't vested benefits can be modified or terminated at any time. There is no "entitlement" associated with them.
...Thus a civil service clerk might work from age 21 to 41 and "retire" to another profession such as a secretary in a law office. That person would be entitled to all "benefits" or "entitlements" from the first job and a salary from the second job. Very often, since they turn down benefits from the new job, they beat out others who are not so lucky and need a job with benefits...
Again, retirement of a civil service "clerk" at age 41 after 20 years of service is not a typical situation in the US. It is possible for many such employees to leave with a vested retirement benefit, but it would be a rather small dollar amount (especially if requested to begin at age 41, should that even be possible) and usually not include any medical benefits until older. I find it difficult to accept that a local or state government has offered such a generous package of
vested benefits. If they're not vested, more rational heads can rescind or delay qualification for portions that exceed reasonableness, namely medical coverage starting before age 55.
The real solution to medical coverage impacts on employment is what should have been enacted in 2010 rather than the half-measure we got. A tax-funded single-payer system, covering everyone and taking out private insurance companies with their profit motive, is long overdue. In my opinion.
Most baffling of all in this subject area are those who rail against unionized workers (public or private) for what the railers believe are excessively generous compensation, regardless of what form that compensation takes. Why would those who feel downtrodden (not addressed to you, Ron) argue in favor of bringing everyone else down to their level rather than forcing their government to work in their favor so they can rise to the level of those they rail against?
