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I guess one could say that I have the same expectations concerning the Packard Motorcar Company as you do regarding Kodak. Why don't they make modern, very high quality luxury cars like they used to? They have an enormous 325,000 square foot factory in Detroit and it is still in place. It was a state-of-the art assembly line when it was built. Of course the windows are all smashed and it is a urban jungle, a cruel monument to man's and manufacturers' folly. But I want my high quality Packards and You Can Ask The Man Who Owns One about the quality.

Packard closed down decades ago. Kodak's factory is still in operation. Workers are still reporting for work, doing their jobs, and receiving their paychecks. Raw materials still come in one end of the factory and film leaves the other. To compare Kodak to a car manufacturer that died half a century ago is dishonest and stupid. I'd say "nice try", but it really wasn't.
 

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What is dishonest and stupid my Hoosier or is it Boozer? state correspondent, is to pretend that Kodak is not going down the toilet as far as film is concerned and gives a Tinker's Dam about it. Look around you. While you are fabricating your pathetic lofty pretensions the greedy Big Shots are taking your middle class and the American Dream and tossing them in the Crapper while setting up business in various neo-Nazi-run nations like China. No, pal, Amelia Earhart is not living quietly in New Jersey. She is dead, dead, dead. Elvis, too.
 

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Wow, this is going even better than I'd have expected from the subject and the OP.

[clicks "ignore thread" again]
 

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Kodak is wherever the property tax is paid. That's in New York. We should all be so lucky to make as much money in a lifetime as the land under 1 film coater + property tax on said machine costs them up there in a year. The appetite for money is insatiable. They'll do what they have to or will be rusted.
Let's back off and let them make their film without our backbiting. Friendly fire is just as deadly as enemy fire. They might actually surprise us all by showing later on they know what they're doing. You folks in China may well get it after all some day.

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/kodak-alaris

This only means they will pay UK tax on profits think UK rate less than USA's!

I thought EK's big film coater was in Colerado?

KA's Harrow building has a coater but they have not done film for a while - is the rumor.

EK lost the plot around '55-65? Until 60 there were only yellow boxes in UK, as well as Ilford and European, afterwards we went green.
 

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These things are never a coincidence.

Most companies want their employees to use their own products. It's a way to show confidence in what they are making and selling.

To the contrary, if the employees don't use their own products, thats a massive vote of no confidence.

Infamously, the CEO of a certain online payment service threatened to fire any employee who used a different service.

It seems natural that the Kodak Photo Contest should be shot on film, or at least have a film category.

This contest is obviously designed to say "Ooo, look, we're digital now".

What bugs me even more is that the first photo is a HDR image, really putting their judgment into question.
 

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Wow, this is going even better than I'd have expected from the subject and the OP.

[clicks "ignore thread" again]

+1. Yet another Kodak bashing thread.
 
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These things are never a coincidence.

Most companies want their employees to use their own products. It's a way to show confidence in what they are making and selling.

To the contrary, if the employees don't use their own products, thats a massive vote of no confidence.

Infamously, the CEO of a certain online payment service threatened to fire any employee who used a different service.

It seems natural that the Kodak Photo Contest should be shot on film, or at least have a film category.

This contest is obviously designed to say "Ooo, look, we're digital now".

What bugs me even more is that the first photo is a HDR image, really putting their judgment into question.

Absolutely spot on.

As soon as I saw that HDR photograph, I knew something was SERIOUSLY wrong. Then as I read further, it was one digital photo after another. Even the damn black and white series was all done digitally!

You could not have broadcast a more clear message that film has no future at KA.
 

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I guess one could say that I have the same expectations concerning the Packard Motorcar Company as you do regarding Kodak. Why don't they make modern, very high quality luxury cars like they used to? They have an enormous 325,000 square foot factory in Detroit and it is still in place. It was a state-of-the art assembly line when it was built. Of course the windows are all smashed and it is a urban jungle, a cruel monument to man's and manufacturers' folly. But I want my high quality Packards and You Can Ask The Man Who Owns One about the quality.

Actually, Harley Davidson, Gibson Guitars and Fender Guitars, rose from the ashes by re-creating and marketing their historic products.
 

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The result from that contest does not surprise me at all, would not do so with the whole industry.
The opposite would have surprised me
 

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Threads merged and title updated. This seems to be a continuation of the same discussion ongoing about Kodak Alaris and how they represent their products. It doesn't require a larger footprint on the forum.
 

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I don't know why this thread even exist? All it is an another Kodak bashing thread. Analog photography is more that just about one company. That old saying, "if you can't say something nice, shut the F up" should apply. So depressing, so negative, so much same old same old.
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Why do people think that still film is KA's most important and profitable analogue photography product?

Colour photographic paper is KA's most important and profitable analogue photography product.
 

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Every time this stuff pops up, it costs me money. I will jump onto Amazon and buy a few propacks of Portra. Their price has been restored to reasonable (used to be $24.95...then it jumped way, way up, now its back to $25.95), but they still only let you buy three packs at a time. Last batch I bought had a 3/16 expiration date. The freezer is slowly getting filled with Portra.

And so it goes.
 

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Why do people think that still film is KA's most important and profitable analogue photography product?

Colour photographic paper is KA's most important and profitable analogue photography product.

Because the "K" in "KA" = "Kodak". And "Kodak" = "film".

It's the Commutative Property of Product Association at work.

Ken
 
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I don't know why this thread even exist? All it is an another Kodak bashing thread. Analog photography is more that just about one company. That old saying, "if you can't say something nice, shut the F up" should apply. So depressing, so negative, so much same old same old.
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Well, where would society be without protest?
 
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Why do people think that still film is KA's most important and profitable analogue photography product?

Colour photographic paper is KA's most important and profitable analogue photography product.

Who is saying most important? Not anyone here as far as I can see.

Who is asking that KA treat film as the most important product? Not anyone here as far as I can see.
 

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But still you expect that their employees use film.

Well, you might argue that as consumer product they sell film. And as such that kind of outcome of a contest might not be a good idea at all for a consumer aimed blog.
But, KA also sell instant prints from files at their kiosks.
 

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True. Is this protest or kicking them when they are down?

KA is certainly not down. They are projected to sell products for $1.5 bn this year.

But they are squandering their film legacy and flipping off photographers.

That's something worth protesting about, especially if you're a film photographer.
 
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Really, this whole thread comes under the category of "Would it Really Hurt Kodak Alaris to Say Something Nice About Film?"

For the obvious reasons, we here feel that it would not hurt them and in fact would only help. But, KA obviously thinks that it will hurt them or they already would have done so. They aren't going to say anything nice about film and, I guess, the only commitment you will see out of KA to the analog community is that they still bother to make film, which is after all, the only commitment that actually matters.

If you don't care for their business model/feelings/practices then the best thing you can do is vote with your wallet and move on to other products. KA has not had any problems having a recent round of price increases so you should not feel bad about doing what you need to do either! Turn about is fair play.

And, for the record, I don't care if it is the distributor cranking up prices on the retailer, the retailers themselves or KA doing it. A price increase is a price increase. KA is not the only game in color film and there are other high quality b/w products. Competition is still alive. A vote with your wallet still has a point to make.
 

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A large part of his thread consists of comments from individuals who in times past would be described as 'crepe hangers'. (People who are compulsive worriers, anxious about things that have not yet happened - see:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crepe hanger&defid=124878 )

Maybe APUG needs a new 'Crepe Hanger' Forum to accommodate such people.


Um, ok. What do you call people who never notice anything until it hits them in the face, then?


Really, this whole thread comes under the category of "Would it Really Hurt Kodak Alaris to Say Something Nice About Film?"

For the obvious reasons, we here feel that it would not hurt them and in fact would only help. But, KA obviously thinks that it will hurt them or they already would have done so. They aren't going to say anything nice about film and, I guess, the only commitment you will see out of KA to the analog community is that they still bother to make film, which is after all, the only commitment that actually matters.

If you don't care for their business model/feelings/practices then the best thing you can do is vote with your wallet and move on to other products. KA has not had any problems having a recent round of price increases so you should not feel bad about doing what you need to do either! Turn about is fair play.

And, for the record, I don't care if it is the distributor cranking up prices on the retailer, the retailers themselves or KA doing it. A price increase is a price increase. KA is not the only game in color film and there are other high quality b/w products. Competition is still alive. A vote with your wallet still has a point to make.

In my opinion, there are no equivalent products to Tri-X, Portra or Ektar.

And stopping buying them would play right into the hands of KA, as they are obviously trying to kill these products.

So, I'll keep protesting by buying them :wink:
 
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