Kodacolor 100. New

[mshchem]

I want Kodacolor-X! ASA 64

 

[brbo]

My bet is on Estar.

Pretty sure all 35mm still and camera films are still on acetate??? I can't remember what is going on

All Kodak's still photography colour negative films have been on Estar for a while now.

 

[MattKing]

Pretty sure all 35mm still and camera films are still on acetate??? I can't remember what is going on

Most Kodak colour films have either been moved to Estar, or probably soon will be.

 

[MattKing]

Whereas the Vision films are on acetate ...........

 

[mshchem]

What kinda world are we living in!

 

[0x001688936CA08]

A better deal for us would be if Eastman purchased back their distribution rights on all Kodak film from Alaris. That would eliminate higher distribution costs by eliminating Alaris, another company in the middle. That would lower prices for Kodak films across the board.

That really depends on what it costs to acquire those rights. I suspect it would not result in lower prices of Kodak film.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

They'll need to hire people around the world.

They could buy out ALaris's division that handles film distribution. I don't know if that makes sense based on how they're set up. I'd have to know more. But, if it can be done simply, I could see lower prices at the retail level, which would be great for us.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

That really depends on what it costs to acquire those rights. I suspect it would not result in lower prices of Kodak film.

The problem is currently, Alaris can mark up the film to whatever they want because Eastman is stuck with them. Of course Eastman is in the same catbird seat as Alaris who is stuck with Eastman's prices. Both of them would try to maximize their profits. This probably accounts for some of the higher prices for Kodak film at the retail level. If there was one company handling production and distribution, Eastman let's say, could view the whole market and set markups based on what the competition is doing in a better manner. Even if Eastman chooses not to distribute the film themselves, they can select which distributors they want to work with in each of their markets and get more competitive pricing from them for their services. Right now, Alaris and Eastman are just stuck with each other. There's no flexibility for either of them. There's one buyer of kodak film and one seller. There's no real free market. There's no competition to help determine prices.

 

[MattKing]

There's one buyer of kodak film and one seller.

Just like Fuji in the USA, and probably other parts of the world as well.
Same for Harman/Ilford in the USA and Canada, and probably lots of other places in the world.
Any manufacturer that has exclusive distributors anywhere in the world has made the decision - for really good reasons - to do things that way.

 

[Agulliver]

Didn't someone mention that Eastman is selling these two films only in the US for now?

The official word from EK is that these are about to launch in the USA.

At least one major UK retailer has stated that all UK retailers have been told to "wait for the official announcement" regarding UK/EU distrbution.

You can make of that what you will, but to me it reads as if they will be distributing this in the UK and EU in the near future.

 

[tykos]

Blue Moon Camera initially posted on its Facebook page of its announcement of the films that Kodacolor 100 is Pro Image and Kodacolor 200 is Color Plus. That post wasn’t up very long before it disappeared and was replaced by another with no mention of the film’s origins. I don’t know if Blue Moon had inside information or just misspoke, so take it for what it’s worth.

The Darkroom insta page also mentioned this, with images and such.

 

[tykos]

Didn't someone mention that Eastman is selling these two films only in the US for now?

Kodak's official page said something like "only available in the US for the time being"

 

[Agulliver]

Kodak KODACOLOR 100 & 200 Review With Photos: Is This Really New Film?

Kodak KODACOLOR 100 & 200 review with sample images shot on release day. Full technical specs, grain analysis, metering tips, and some nice photos.

www.cameraclara.com

Edge markings seen here

Thanks for this. No conclusions to be drawn as to whether these are existing films, something tweaked or something new. But they look like very competent ISO 100 and ISO 200 CN films...as one would expect from Kodak. the edge text markings are different to "the usual suspects" but few conclusions can be drawn from that. Someone needs to analyse the bar codes I guess.

 

[koraks]

No conclusions to be drawn as to whether these are existing films, something tweaked or something new. But they look like very competent ISO 100 and ISO 200 CN films

I agree with your assessment. I find the observations and example pictures in the linked page useful; the implications the author draws I don't always follow or agree with. But that doesn't remove much or anything from the value of the illustrations.

 

[lamerko]

This is strange. These two "new" films have appeared on the Kodak website. At the same time, they are not listed on the Alaris website, but Color Plus 200 and ProImage 100 are also gone. My theory is that these two films have been rebranded as Kodacolor and will be distributed by Kodak.

 

[BrianShaw]

Very interesting observation!

 

[RafLopes]

Kodak KODACOLOR 100 & 200 Review With Photos: Is This Really New Film?

Kodak KODACOLOR 100 & 200 review with sample images shot on release day. Full technical specs, grain analysis, metering tips, and some nice photos.

www.cameraclara.com

Edge markings seen here

Thanks for mentioning! I wrote this article.

I woke up early, bought the film stock in a store in Manhattan, shot two rolls, came back home, developed it, let it dry, scanned it, converted it, and wrote the article (I wrote the article while the film was drying).

I just found this forum while researching backlinks in my publication, and I just realized that this place is a healthy place in the internet. Good forum, and thank you very much for mentioning my article.

In my opinion, that's what film does, it connects people.

Now about the films. I think they are interesting additions. I liked the 200 more. The grain on the 100 is pretty decent for an iso100 film.

Thanks again!

 

[koraks]

@RafLopes welcome aboard, we're happy to have you! Congrats on the article; as you can see, it's already being recognized as useful. Keep them coming! speaking of which, if you have any blog entries you'd like to share, please feel free to do so. We have a specific category for this as well: https://www.photrio.com/forum/news/ You can submit a blog entry there, and it'll be included in the list as soon as we approve it (which we virtually always do). A discussion thread is then started automatically so people may comment on your work.

 

[loccdor]

The high amount of grain in the shadows for a 100 speed film was one of the things I noticed first about Kodak Pro Image 100 when I tried it in 2023. I went and looked back at my images taken on it and compared it with Raf's. My opinion is that it's the same, or a very similar, film. Of course, it's just an opinion.

Here is an old test shot on Kodak Pro Image 100 shot at Sunny f/4 (EV 11) exposing hard for shadows.

The image's highlights which would be 3-4 stops overexposed (March direct sunlight around noon) were hard to recover in my efforts, mirroring Raf's observations.

The colors of the images I took also look very similar to Raf's. I wouldn't describe them as "accurate", but more so than Gold or UltraMax, and more pleasing to me. They seemed to very slightly lean towards a yellow-green.

My overall impression was that the film is Kodak's best budget C-41 option if you don't mind seeing grain.

 

[RafLopes]

@RafLopes welcome aboard, we're happy to have you! Congrats on the article; as you can see, it's already being recognized as useful. Keep them coming! speaking of which, if you have any blog entries you'd like to share, please feel free to do so. We have a specific category for this as well: https://www.photrio.com/forum/news/ You can submit a blog entry there, and it'll be included in the list as soon as we approve it (which we virtually always do). A discussion thread is then started automatically so people may comment on your work.

Oooo! Thanks a lot my friend!

The high amount of grain in the shadows for a 100 speed film was one of the things I noticed first about Kodak Pro Image 100 when I tried it in 2023. I went and looked back at my images taken on it and compared it with Raf's. My opinion is that it's the same, or a very similar, film. Of course, it's just an opinion.

Here is an old test shot on Kodak Pro Image 100 shot at Sunny f/4 (EV 11) exposing hard for shadows.

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The image's highlights which would be 3-4 stops overexposed (March direct sunlight around noon) were hard to recover in my efforts, mirroring Raf's observations.

The colors of the images I took also look very similar to Raf's. I wouldn't describe them as "accurate", but more so than Gold or UltraMax, and more pleasing to me. They seemed to very slightly lean towards a yellow-green.

My overall impression was that the film is Kodak's best budget C-41 option if you don't mind seeing grain.

Yes. I think the grain structure isn’t as fine as an Ektar, but pretty decent for a $9 roll. I will do a side-by-side test with the same scanning equipment (benchmarking against Ektar). In fact, I think I’ll do it today. I have some Ektar negatives here. They were scanned using a different equipment, not the GFX (I used a PlusTek and a XT3). Scanning both Ektar and Kodacolor 100 would be nice, I’ll post my findings here (and update the article).

I’m so happy I discovered this forum! Very respectful people in here! A rare find on the internet today, for sure.

 

[RafLopes]

@RafLopes welcome aboard, we're happy to have you! Congrats on the article; as you can see, it's already being recognized as useful. Keep them coming! speaking of which, if you have any blog entries you'd like to share, please feel free to do so. We have a specific category for this as well: https://www.photrio.com/forum/news/ You can submit a blog entry there, and it'll be included in the list as soon as we approve it (which we virtually always do). A discussion thread is then started automatically so people may comment on your work.

Thanks for having that space. I read the rules and it was strict about self-promoting. Which makes that thread a nice space. Thanks!
(I was going to send this via DM, but I think I need to wait 5 days, since I just created my account)

 

[MattKing]

Can you advise @RafLopes whether the film is on acetate substrate or Estar substrate?

And welcome as well.

 

[0x001688936CA08]

The problem is currently, Alaris can mark up the film to whatever they want because Eastman is stuck with them. Of course Eastman is in the same catbird seat as Alaris who is stuck with Eastman's prices. Both of them would try to maximize their profits. This probably accounts for some of the higher prices for Kodak film at the retail level. If there was one company handling production and distribution, Eastman let's say, could view the whole market and set markups based on what the competition is doing in a better manner. Even if Eastman chooses not to distribute the film themselves, they can select which distributors they want to work with in each of their markets and get more competitive pricing from them for their services. Right now, Alaris and Eastman are just stuck with each other. There's no flexibility for either of them. There's one buyer of kodak film and one seller. There's no real free market. There's no competition to help determine prices.

Yes, and it could still be prohibitively expensive or contractually impossible for Eastman to sell consumer still photography film without Alaris.

Waxing ad nauseam about the opportunities for better prices and no middleman are redundant unless the Eastman/Alaris relationship can be dissolved.

 

[Agulliver]

This is strange. These two "new" films have appeared on the Kodak website. At the same time, they are not listed on the Alaris website, but Color Plus 200 and ProImage 100 are also gone. My theory is that these two films have been rebranded as Kodacolor and will be distributed by Kodak.

Well spotted. I just looked at KA's site and was going to report the same! Their "everyday films" are now Gold 200 and Ultramax 400. Color Plus and Pro Image are not to be found there or in the "Color Film" page.

That does strongly suggest that Kodacolor 100 is Pro Image, and Kodacolor 200 is Color Plus....or possibly slightly tweaked/updated versions of them. If that turns out to be the case, at least these are known quantities.

I would assume that Gold and Ultramax, which are still under KA, are the most popular Kodak films.

 

[Cholentpot]

Well spotted. I just looked at KA's site and was going to report the same! Their "everyday films" are now Gold 200 and Ultramax 400. Color Plus and Pro Image are not to be found there or in the "Color Film" page.

That does strongly suggest that Kodacolor 100 is Pro Image, and Kodacolor 200 is Color Plus....or possibly slightly tweaked/updated versions of them. If that turns out to be the case, at least these are known quantities.

I would assume that Gold and Ultramax, which are still under KA, are the most popular Kodak films.

Proimage looks grainer to my eyes though. Not much of a fan of the stuff to be honest. I've heard it needs more exposure. I'll give it a go at ISO50 next time.