KA: Kodachrome "just not practical to try to replicate in today's market."

[E. von Hoegh]

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Without JFK's vision most posters from above would not have had the chance to use electronic calculators at school.Later they would not have had enough money to buy a playstation for their kids.....with regards

We weren't allowed to use electronic calculators, which cost around $200 for a TI which did arithmetic only. We weren't allowed to use slide rules either. We did the work on scratch paper and handed it in with the test. Consequently most of us are not innumerate

 

[RattyMouse]

And I bet most of them have been discontinued.

I sharpen each blade on alternating Fridays, except during February.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

Can undeveloped K II still be developed as B&W today?

What is likelihood of there being an image after 40 years?

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Can undeveloped K II still be developed as B&W today?

What is likelihood of there being an image after 40 years?

I don't see why not, I read of using Microdol, a long time ago.

I don't know.

 

[MattKing]

Can undeveloped K II still be developed as B&W today?

What is likelihood of there being an image after 40 years?

Probably - it is black and white film (until processed).
I was able to get images from 70 year old roll film: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...year-old-verichrome-and-super-xx-film.136477/
I would be most concerned about the physical issues - how permanently curled the film would be, how difficult it would be to handle the film - including removing the remjet - without damaging it beyond use.
As it is movie film, it wouldn't help you much to have it come out in pieces.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Help, I'm chained up in a barn.

PE

 

[trendland]

Help, I'm chained up in a barn.

PE

Help will possibly coming soon PE...

with regards

PS : This film we will never see back again -to the rest : "nobody can know today " :

 

[trendland]

Can undeveloped K II still be developed as B&W today?

What is likelihood of there being an image after 40 years?

If it goes about the rolls of film never saw a lab - you reported this issue before : From my point I would have no great hope to get nice pictures ever from this rolls. The max. time you can store latent images from exposed Kodachrome should be in the near of 8 years.
(within this time it should make sense to see a chance to get nearly normal colors)
It seams to be min. the double of stable E6 colors (long time undeveloped but still exposed)
To proceed the bw step from developement is a total diferent issue.
But real good bw negatives are also not possible (after 20years). You might see this term from historic context. That might make sense.
But does it go about a second roll of Abraham Z ? Exposed 11.22. 63 ?

with regards

 

[trendland]

By the way : The most stable E6 film in concern of latent images and in concern of long time stability of colors (I hope) after developement is Fuji Astia.
I just recived one of my last (forgotten) films back from a lab.
I can't belive the date of exposure (2009).....?
The special characteristic is a lost of saturation - but without a noticable shift of colors. See :

Notice : The shift in direction of yellow is just coming from a thungsten light in a restaurant here. (I shot the film a little unsharp with cellphone) just to document the colors.
[the snow on the lake is nearly white from the original Astia slide]
That's remarcable - but Kodachrome is the all time champion in that special discipline.
with regards

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Just like sending men on the moon was such a waste of money and didn't bring any profitable dollars from the sales of moon trips on the market of space travels, that decision must have been as well so stupid businesswise it surely almost lead NASA to bankruptcy . Proof is that they stopped sending men on the moon. What a bunch of delusional dreamers and bigfoot believers they must have been to think about sending men on the moon.

NASA is a U.S. Government agency, not a for-profit commercial enterprise, and cannot by definition 'go bankrupt.' Kennedy's September 1962 commitment to put a man on the moon was a political, not business, decision. He had multiple motivations for making it, primary among them an interest in technologically besting the Soviet Union during the Cold War. The wisdom or stupidity of going to the moon can only be judged on the basis of non-business criteria.

Anyone who equates a 2018 revival of Kodachrome with this country's 1960s moon program should probably be making their case to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, not other posters on PHOTRIO. I'd expect, though, that a proposal to sink U.S. Treasury funds into a such a project would be completely rejected, if it were even given a hearing. Good luck, though.

PS If someone does convince my government to re-launch Kodachrome, please ensure it requires Eastman Kodak to put those stable dyes on Estar this time. There's not much benefit in extended dark-storage image capability when the acetate base becomes a vinegary slurry before the dyes fade.

 

[Ian Grant]

Help, I'm chained up in a barn.

PE

Can you process my fathers last roll of 828 Kodachrome II in that barn

We as film users killed off Kodachrome but only because the processing was slow and complex. Outside the US it was a Postal service to the nearest Kodak lab, we did have one very short lived Independent lab in London, Kodak did try to make it easier for professionals to use Kodachrome but too late, by that time Fuji 50D was just as good and with fast E6 processing.

The Eastman Kodak Kodachrome processing monopoly was broken by court action in the US, so you had a few labs processing Kodachrome. Ironically the UK government didn't act the same with Kodak Ltd but did act against Ilford and its Ilfochrome processing monopoly which killed the films viability.

I still have a roll of Ilfochrome but it's the much later re-badged E6 Konica film.

Ian

 

[Luckless]

Help, I'm chained up in a barn.

PE

I'm conflicted here... Do I bring bolt cutters, or lab gear?

 

[MattKing]

PS If someone does convince my government to re-launch Kodachrome, please ensure it requires Eastman Kodak to put those stable dyes on Estar this time. There's not much benefit in extended dark-storage image capability when the acetate base becomes a vinegary slurry before the dyes fade.

I can guarantee that if you had suggested this to those who actually ran the big Kodachrome processors they would have shuddered.
The Estar base is too strong. Once it was spliced together in the mile long reels that ran through those processors it would be more likely to break those processors than to break itself - not to mention the movie cameras that used most of the Kodachrome that ran through those processors.
Estar base may make sense for single roll processors of still films.

 

[RattyMouse]

Help, I'm chained up in a barn.

PE

I found a paint chip on the passenger side door of my car today.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I found a paint chip on the passenger side door of my car today.

Lawnmower must have thrown a stone...

 

[RattyMouse]

Lawnmower must have thrown a stone...

I dont think so. I have not mowed the lawn this year and the car is new so there must be another reason. I shall investigate and revert back to the group.

 

[Photo Engineer]

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Look at how many views here and how many actual posts. See how important Kodachrome is?

PE

 

[RattyMouse]

Members:85,516
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Look at how many views here and how many actual posts. See how important Kodachrome is?

PE

Kodachrome is not important. Kodachrome has not been important for a LOOOOOOONG time.

Kodachrome will never be important again.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I dont think so. I have not mowed the lawn this year and the car is new so there must be another reason. I shall investigate and revert back to the group.

Aliens. The grey ones most likely.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I'm conflicted here... Do I bring bolt cutters, or lab gear?

LOL!

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I'm conflicted here... Do I bring bolt cutters, or lab gear?

Depends on how he's chained up, say if his hands are chainedb
To be safe, bring lab gear, bolt cutters, and some spare chain, also a couple padlocks. He'll need some freedom of movement if he is to use the lab gear.

 

[Sirius Glass]

But magenta is not a color!

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...The Estar base is too strong. Once it was spliced together in the mile long reels that ran through those processors it would be more likely to break those processors than to break itself - not to mention the movie cameras that used most of the Kodachrome that ran through those processors...

Who cares; that'll be the government contractor's (Eastman Kodak's) problem. If it has to redesign its machines, so what? This project will have virtually unlimited funds. I'll lobby for the system specification to require not only Estar base, but, for 120, a multilayer, opaque, matte black (remjet coated without need to ever remove by jet action) Estar backing instead of paper. Markings of white polyester laminated right into the back of black polyester. No wrapper offset possible.

Hey, in a thread based entirely on fantasy, why not go all the way?

 

[Photo Engineer]

Sal, the first re-exposure of Kodachrome is through the base - after removal of the rem-jet.

I'll bet no one knows where the barn is!

PE

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Sal, the first re-exposure of Kodachrome is through the base - after removal of the rem-jet...

Yes, Ron, I know. Look again at my fantasy post #398. In it, I specified that rem-jet would be applied to side of the black Estar "backing paper" that would be in contact with the rear of 120 film base. There would be no rem-jet on the actual film to remove before re-exposure.

Getting one's head around such science fiction might understandably be a challenge for someone so experienced in the real world of Kodachrome.