KA: Kodachrome "just not practical to try to replicate in today's market."

[Lionel1972]

The CEO of Kodak has specifically stated that film is NOT a core product of Kodak. WHY would film be part of ANY strategic decision?

You mean the same Kodak CEO who is touring India promoting film to indian cinematographers and building brand new cinema labs around the world? The one who refused to sign up the destruction of the last Kodak film factory building on his first day in charge?

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I'm listening to experts, former Kodak experts, who say the idea is beyond stupid. Utterly stupid. Completely stupid.

It. Will. Never. Happen.

We're wasting our time talking reality here, these Kodachromistas are as pigheaded as the conspiracy theorists - whom they greatly resemble

 

[RattyMouse]

You mean the same Kodak CEO who is touring India promoting film to indian cinematographers and building brand new cinema labs around the world? The one who refused to sign up the destruction of the last Kodak film factory building on his first day in charge?

Yeah. The same CEO who also is trying to scam people with Kodakcoins and Kodak Miners. He's a pretty desperate guy. Not hard to understand knowing how devastating 2019 is going to be for Kodak.

 

[Sirius Glass]

ummm wait, is this the deleated thread ?

That is what I thought from the first time I saw this thread.

 

[removed account4]

Yeah. The same CEO who also is trying to scam people with Kodakcoins and Kodak Miners. He's a pretty desperate guy. Not hard to understand knowing how devastating 2019 is going to be for Kodak.

at least he is thinking outside the box going ot bollywood i'd suggest he goes to the kingdom of saud too,
they are making a large entertainment industry or so it has beensaid
and regarding the kodacoin not everything is a scam.
the whole blockchain thing is perfect for people liscencing their images,
it is similar to what digimark has been doing but on steroids, by more
thoroughly keeping track of image usage through something more significant
than an embedded digital beacon. sounds to me like a good tool for IP people to grabahold of
it's good kodak is thinking of these things, and who knows maybe it will work,
maybe someone will buy the IDEA from them, who knows?
there are a lot of crypto currencies out there
and they seem to be doing OK.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Kodachrome isnt even worth bringing back. It's completely superfluous.

The digital market and the popularity of viewing images on the computer has taken a very heavy toll on the slide market. So much so, I wonder if the Ektachrome reintroduction will be able to survive.

 

[Lionel1972]

We're wasting our time talking reality here, these Kodachromistas are as pigheaded as the conspiracy theorists - whom they greatly resemble

Do you always invoque conpiracy theorists to try to discredit anyone trying to argument against your communly accepted opinions? Luckily Copernic didn’t write on internet forums about his conspiracy-looking theory of the earth rotating around our sun, he would have had a hard time denying he doesn’t beleive in unicorns and mermaids.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Do you always invoque conpiracy theorists to try to discredit anyone trying to argument against your communly accepted opinions? Luckily Copernic didn’t write on internet forums about his conspiracy-looking theory of the earth rotating around our sun, he would have had a hard time denying he doesn’t beleive in unicorns and mermaids.

The shoe fits, might as well lace it up.

 

[RattyMouse]

and regarding the kodacoin not everything is a scam.

Yes it is. It's a scam to boost a dying stock price.

the whole blockchain thing is perfect for people liscencing their images,

Then why has the ENTIRE photography profession IGNORED this idea?

sounds to me like a good tool for IP people to grabahold of
it's good kodak is thinking of these things, and who knows maybe it will work,
maybe someone will buy the IDEA from them, who knows?
there are a lot of crypto currencies out there
and they seem to be doing OK.

LOL. You have no been paying attention much have you? Bitcoin has crashed a good 70% taking down every other currency with it.

Kodak's scams will amount to nothing.

Why havent YOU bought a Kodak Miner? They are only $2000 or so and Kodak guarantees you'll double your money. You can't lose!!

 

[Lionel1972]

The shoe fits, might as well lace it up.

Stating this doesn’t make it anywhere near true.

 

[RattyMouse]

Do you always invoque conpiracy theorists to try to discredit anyone trying to argument against your communly accepted opinions? Luckily Copernic didn’t write on internet forums about his conspiracy-looking theory of the earth rotating around our sun, he would have had a hard time denying he doesn’t beleive in unicorns and mermaids.

Copernic followed the facts. Conspiracy theorists ignore the facts. So do the Kodachromhadeen.

 

[removed account4]

The digital market and the popularity of viewing images on the computer has taken a very heavy toll on the slide market. So much so, I wonder if the Ektachrome reintroduction will be able to survive.

maybe, but a lot of people who do hybrid work would rather scan a slide than flat art ...
i know of one photrio member who used to expose b/w film and send it all to Dr5Chrome
to have black and white chromes made that he then scanned ..

 

[Lionel1972]

Copernic followed the facts. Conspiracy theorists ignore the facts. So do the Kodachromhadeen.

What was believed as facts then was not what Copernic was saying, you would have classified him as a conspiracy theorist were you there back then following your own criterias.
As for me, I’ve never denied a fact. Kodachrome was not selling enough to be profitable when it got ended. It was be rather difgicul and costly to revive it now. Weither it would sell or not now is not a fact, it is a conjecture and you have not anymore clue than I about it. That’s my whole point. No conspiracy theory needed here. Simple elementary logic, sorry.

 

[faberryman]

maybe, but a lot of people who do hybrid work would rather scan a slide than flat art ...
i know of one photrio member who used to expose b/w film and send it all to Dr5Chrome
to have black and white chromes made that he then scanned ..

Why didn’t he just scan his negatives and invert?

 

[Craig]

So what is truly the reason everybody seems to think it would be so impossible to revive except that old feeling that what was once a commercial failure should be left dead for ever?

Kodachrome sales started falling in 1990, as E6 sales were increasing. So even in the heydey of film, the market spoke, and Kodachrome wasn't what it preferred. It took another 20 years to slowly fade to nothing, but in that time the sales shrank.

Second obstacle to it's return is processing. As others mentioned, it's a process that requires a large lab to support it and needs large throughput volumes to ensure the chemistry is as it should be. Some of the solutions are quite unstable and need to be mixed right before use. It can't be prepackaged the way E6 and C41 chemistry can, so the only realistic proposition is a central processing lab with a chemist to mix solutions. These days, without the volume of films to support it, the process becomes both unstable resulting in lower quality; and higher cost. For the volumes of reversal material processed today, E6 is the only practical choice.

Another obstacle is product itself. Kodachrome had colour crossover and wasn't accurate colours. It's difficult to scan because of the texture on the slide and lets be real, much of todays world is hybrid and has digitizing in in some form. If you're a commercial photographer and using the film for work; in order to be printed on paper, such as in a book or catalogue the film will be scanned and Kodachrome doesn't scan well. If anything that is it's death certificate, as any film today must be scannable. The Portria and Ektar family was specifically designed to be scanned.

Now can we forget the fantasy of Kodachrome returning?

 

[RattyMouse]

What was believed as facts then was not what Copernic was saying, you would have classified him as a conspiracy theorist were you there back then following your own criterias.
As for me, I’ve never denied a fact. Kodachrome was not selling enough to be profitable when it got ended. It was be rather difgicul and costly to revive it now. Weither it would sell or not now is not a fact, it is a conjecture and you have not anymore clue than I about it. That’s my whole point. No conspiracy theory needed here. Simple elementary logic, sorry.

E6 labs closing all over the world tells me how healthy the slide film market is.

 

[removed account4]

Why didn’t he just scan his negatives and invert?

he said it wasn't the same, found the link! + quote!
What do you do with slides?

 

[eddie]

I'd rather manufacturers concentrate on keeping available films viable. I think the future of film will be in the home processing market (B&W and E-6). Products that require specialized processing can't be sustained within the diminishing use of film. The focus needs to be on the home enthusiast. Film can have a long, healthy future if companies are willing to re-scale/cut costs to secure a modest profit.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

What was believed as facts then was not what Copernic was saying, you would have classified him as a conspiracy theorist were you there back then following your own criterias.
As for me, I’ve never denied a fact. Kodachrome was not selling enough to be profitable when it got ended. It was be rather difgicul and costly to revive it now. Weither it would sell or not now is not a fact, it is a conjecture and you have not anymore clue than I about it. That’s my whole point. No conspiracy theory needed here. Simple elementary logic, sorry.

Never denied a fact? Every post you make is denial!

 

[Photo Engineer]

Lets look at this from another POV. Film is not dead, nor is vinyl. OK. Kodachrome is 78 rpm to the Ektachrome 33 1/3. Or maybe the vaunted (at one time) 16 xx RPM. Anyone ever hear of that one?

PE

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I have decided to shoot the remainder of my 8mm K II, maybe even today, have it developed as B&W, split, and then my adventure and pleasant memories with Kodachrome is done.

My interest will then be on buying and using the film types we have, including Super 8 and 16mm.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...the vaunted (at one time) 16 xx RPM. Anyone ever hear of that one?...

Yup. It was 16-2/3 rpm.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...Reality sucks, but it's real.

As many of the intervening 34 post demonstrate, it's also frequently ignored in favor of fantasy/unreality.

The best thing that might happen as a result of this thread is, if Sean's ad revenue is in any way tied to number of clicks, PHOTRIO financial health could improve.

 

[Sirius Glass]

The digital market and the popularity of viewing images on the computer has taken a very heavy toll on the slide market. So much so, I wonder if the Ektachrome reintroduction will be able to survive.

maybe, but a lot of people who do hybrid work would rather scan a slide than flat art ...
i know of one photrio member who used to expose b/w film and send it all to Dr5Chrome
to have black and white chromes made that he then scanned ..

Why didn’t he just scan his negatives and invert?

he said it wasn't the same, found the link! + quote!
What do you do with slides?

Going directly from Tri-X to slides will have a much higher contrast than Tri-X to prints to scanning. One does not even need to follow the link if one understands the difference between slides and prints. Going digital is not a panacea of all that is good. Digital works extremely well for remote sensing which was a significant portion of my career.

 

[faberryman]

Going directly from Tri-X to slides will have a much higher contrast than Tri-X to prints to scanning. One does not even need to follow the link if one understands the difference between slides and prints. Going digital is not a panacea of all that is good.

I well know the difference between slides and negatives. And if you are scanning, you're going digital.