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Am I alone in preferring Kodak for E6 films (especially E100GX, I had to fill my freezer when they quietly canned that) and Fuji for C41? I like the E100G(X) warmth, and find Velvia 100 especially to have a bit of a cool green cast.
Of my few experience with lots of films I've used Both consumer C41 lines, have shot, but still not seen Fuji's E6, and KR64 is in the camera.
At first I used Ultramax 400, that, while not being praised by most, I liked it's rendition; muted colors. I was given a little brick of superia 200 and at first, I didn't like it. It was fault of the minilab that gave oversaturated prints. When I got some decent prints, I liked it. And I do like it. The greens are nice.

Now, my location's situation:

I've chosen Fuji's E6 for better availiability and good value (Well, elitechome has got also the latter). Here, Fuji is seen almost everywhere. And of the online/mailorder retailer(s) I've bought from, Fuji was dominant.
B&W Kodak is cheap, Fuji is most of C41 and E6. Ilford products are a tad higher priced than Kodak's (1€ more).
Also, I decided to go with sensia, because I'd like to standardize on something. If I shoot low volumes, let it be one film, because I'd end learning nothing about color rendition of any film.

If Astia were to go away, then isn't Sensia the amateur version of it...or is that Provia?
According to the Google translation of fuji japan, Sensia (III) is astia's amateur equivalent, and they've got a film called Trebi, that is the provia equivalent.

Gees, let's see if I can shoot an additional roll of sensia and send it with the frozen one, so I can see how this film is.
 

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Well, I go away for a few days and this thread is now huge!

Reala in 35mm is now threatened? It's the most popular film sold by the Fuji pro shop in the UK.
 

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To summarise what has happened:

- Nobody really knows for sure because Fuji have issued some contradictory statements

Result = Who knows!?

One the one hand 35mm Reala is supposedly threatened but some of Fuji's own pages only state that 24 exp is being discontinued. Who knows what the truth is, one thing is for sure, Fuji have made a bloody mess announcing these changes and they should be ashamed of themselves for how badly this has been handled. Some clear statements from each global unit of Fuji's stating in plain language what's chopped, what's not, what's renamed and what's repackaged would go a long long way.

I would seem that 160S is being renamed 160NS and 35mm discontinued, 160C I think is dead, 800Z also seems to be dead. Neopan 400 120 is definitely dead in the water. The big problem is Fuji's own information contradicts their press release that Superia Reala 35mm is discontinued.

Vicky
 

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Less than 2 weeks ago Fuji UK told me Reala 35mm and 120 were not discontinued!

Entirely my point :smile: Left hand, meet right hand. Woah, there's two of us. Jeez. I'm gonna need to sit down, take this in, you mean I have a right hand friend? Yep left hand, you do...

I think Fuji UK will issue a press release next week where they will confirm that all of the above is true and that they will be releasing kangaroos but only in 24 exposure, except in 3 packs of 24, which are discontinued, as are 36 exposure individual packs, in 35mm. 36 exposure kangaroos are still however available. :D

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At this point, Fuji appears to be sitting on both hands. Oh, and at least one thumb is where it should not be! :D Maybe they are playing switch!

PE
 

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To summarise what has happened:

- Nobody really knows for sure because Fuji have issued some contradictory statements

Result = Who knows!?

One the one hand 35mm Reala is supposedly threatened but some of Fuji's own pages only state that 24 exp is being discontinued. Who knows what the truth is, one thing is for sure, Fuji have made a bloody mess announcing these changes and they should be ashamed of themselves for how badly this has been handled. Some clear statements from each global unit of Fuji's stating in plain language what's chopped, what's not, what's renamed and what's repackaged would go a long long way.

I would seem that 160S is being renamed 160NS and 35mm discontinued, 160C I think is dead, 800Z also seems to be dead. Neopan 400 120 is definitely dead in the water. The big problem is Fuji's own information contradicts their press release that Superia Reala 35mm is discontinued.

Vicky

Vicky. The OP is correct with his information. I have an email from fuji, I sent it to PE because I am not allowed to post it all over the internet. He confirmed it. Sadly its all true. I wish it weren't.
 

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I got a reply from Fuji japan that said 160S was going to be imported into the US as 160NS. So 160S is gone to be replaced by 160NS, at least according the reply I got. What will actually pan out is anybody's guess. But Fuji USA appears to not to know whats going on, or isn't releasing all the information or Fuji Japan is full of crap. I do believe the original list to be accurate in that everything on there will be discontinued, but not every replacement has been mentioned yet. Too much contradictory information from multiple sources.

Fuji is you are reading this some PUBLIC clarification would be nice.

Fuji really has learned from the Toyota School of Communications.

Gary
 

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Amen... Fuji themselves have not posted anything official on their sites, so it is not time to panic. yet. :smile:

You can wish all you want, and you wont see anything on there site.

What I have stated is correct and if you are REALLY a shooter that uses film and you want some of that Fujifilm thats on the list you better get NOW...

Scott
 

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You can wish all you want, and you wont see anything on there site.

What I have stated is correct and if you are REALLY a shooter that uses film and you want some of that Fujifilm thats on the list you better get NOW...

Scott

Just share the information rather than hinting around please. The way you're going about it is just going to frustrate people.


At this point, Fuji appears to be sitting on both hands. Oh, and at least one thumb is where it should not be! :D Maybe they are playing switch!

PE

PE, 400PR in 120 was apparently discontinued due to issues with PFOS and the environment. Any thoughts?
 

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Just share the information rather than hinting around please. The way you're going about it is just going to frustrate people.

I thought he was pretty clear in (there was a url link here which no longer exists).
 

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B&H have marked 800Z 120 & 220 as Discontinued. Stocks of 160C and S still appear to be available.
 

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Arrghhhh...Typical Japanese rubbish.

I'm born and raised in Japan (also a citizen), and this is a very typical thing. No one can ever make up there minds, everyone is very slow at making clear decisions, and no one communicates with each other. Fuji's business ethic is very close to that of the Japanese government!


As long as 160NS stays, I'm happy.
 

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I use the 800Z and have come to like it. Sad to see it go but I won't stockpile it, I'll probably go back to Superia 800.

But what of Reala? Is this also now discontinued as the BJP suggest? The OP didn't mention this film. That will be a big loss.
 

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Just share the information rather than hinting around please. The way you're going about it is just going to frustrate people.

I have shared the info, That I mite add in the ONLY one that has it FIRST HAND.

What I have posted it correct and do with it what you want.

All I can say BUY MORE FILM !!

Scott
 

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Vicky. The OP is correct with his information. I have an email from fuji, I sent it to PE because I am not allowed to post it all over the internet. He confirmed it. Sadly its all true. I wish it weren't.

I have little reason to doubt the original poster's list, what bugs me though is that it contradicts with what Fuji's site says. i.e. Fuji's site doesn't mention 160S being outright discontinued..

Then there are press releases on the net saying 35mm 160S is dead but all other formats continue as 160NS, but the OP's post says all formats of 160S...

Then there's Fuji Reala, no mention in the OP's post, Fuji's info says 35mm 24 exposure is going, and 120 only in 5 packs; but these press releases the likes of BJP have say 35mm Reala is outright going...

Can you see how we're confused? The OP's list is simple and easy to follow, even if it is a devastating list, but combine that list with what Fuji have on their own site, along with this press release from a couple of sites including BJP and you have a batch of contradicting discontination notices.

Vicky
 

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It's Fuji's fault, and we all know that. :smile:

Well anyway, I've loaded up with some more 160S and 400H; only as much as I would usually buy, as I have no room to store a stockpile and I can't afford anymore but I will continue to do what I can; but we may in time find that this isn't enough.

Ahh well. Don't get me wrong I love Portra 160NC, but it's just a shade too warm for me for the subjects I am tackling at the moment.

Vicky
 

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Fuji...I know it was you, you broke my heart.

Not sure who all will get that reference.

I understand how these companies are going to 'trim' down to their strongest films, so that they can continue serving us with the ones that are selling well enough. But considering Fuji's seemingly continual support for all things analog, between this site and Scott's program, this strikes me as odd. Kodak has only been issuing one 'retirement' here, and one there, and then they expand Ektar, but Fuji is killing off nearly their entire Color Neg line, they aren't getting rid of 800Z in this size, or 160C in that one, but it's EVERYTHING except for 400H, which means 0 color neg in large format, and they're doing these all at once, and without a clear message to the customers either through press release, or having someone come on here to make a statement, or to go on Scotts podcast(least not yet) to keep us from panicking or getting angry.

Now if it was a rumor about one film, like 800Z a couple months ago, to sort of 'test the waters' to see if people would buy up a lot if they heard it was going away to see what their market looks like, that's one thing, but this many films, it can't be the case. I've only been shooting for about 3 years, film for little over 2. I didn't even start looking at much on the color side except in the past year, and the films I discovered I like the best were the Fuji's for the general color palette. I have been buying Fuji, I'm sorry if I don't have the money to buy huge bulk orders, or that I even shoot enough to merit it yet, but if all I'm going to be left with is 400H, I think I may look elsewhere to get the look I want. Whether that means dealing with the magenta of Kodak, or just trying something else all together I don't know, but 1 ISO rating in a series is limiting. I had built what color I was shooting around 400H and 800Z, with the 160 films for my 4x5, but if I'm only going to have 400H for either 35 or 120, and apparently nothing for my LF...well not being able to maintain any consistency throughout my range is gonna have me back to the drawing board on what films I'm shooting for color.

I'm sure Fuji thinks this will mean their 400H sales will shoot way up with their 160S, 160C, and 800Z customers all needing something else, for me, I'm not sure if that's so much the case. I may be alone here, but I'll still shoot 400H for when I need to know what I'm gonna get, though I still have some 800Z as well, and not sure how much I'll need to buy until I figure out what other films to try. Now that may lead me to the Fuji colors, Kodak, something else, cross processing E6, or even right back to 400H, but I like options, even if they're only 2 or 3, it's better than 1, or for LF, none.

Scott, I'm not crying about films I'm not shooting or not buying, but if what I'm doing is as much as I can afford, I think I have the right to be unhappy when Fuji pulls a move like this without explanation, either of their plans, or how little of everything they were selling, or what. I totally support what you mean, in the sense that if we're not buying certain films, we can't really complain if they get gone, but in general I hear that film sales are up from the downward path they were on, but a move like this doesn't help with confidence, and there are some who will leave film, or won't give it a chance, if they hear mass reductions like this with no explanation behind it, and we'll need those people on the verge to come to film in however big a part to help.
 

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Fuji...I know it was you, you broke my heart.

Not sure who all will get that reference.

I understand how these companies are going to 'trim' down to their strongest films, so that they can continue serving us with the ones that are selling well enough.

Indeed, I feel exactly as you do. I had come to settle my colour work on negative simply because for me, for colour E-6 films are as suited to my style as digital is. I'm a landscape oriented photographer, and I have come to love Fuji's range from 160 through to 800.

With 120 I can use my 6x12 back for landscapes which could not be done in slide:



and in 4x5



it was simply the best landscape film there was for outdoor work in the harsher lights of more equatorial lands or just when light was strong.

As Fuji have discontinued my personal favourite printing black and white paper I will now turn to Ilford and Kodak Ektar and for the films I need.

So to the folks in at Fuji I hope you look at the situation Toyota finds themselves in with expansion and growth into electronics to replace the humble accelerator pedal (for god knows what real benefit). I think people have been watching too much Star Trek and thinking its a documentary.
 

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Clayne;

I have no idea what the environmental issues may be but I can speculate on two things. Kodak and Fuji were both doing R&D on Selenium and Tellurium dyes and chemical sensitization. Kodak dropped it years ago due to the environmental issues, but Fuji may have gone ahead. I know that the CA II Paper uses Tellurium in it. So, this may be the issue but it is a WAG.

PE
 

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I have shared the info, That I mite add in the ONLY one that has it FIRST HAND.

What I have posted it correct and do with it what you want.

All I can say BUY MORE FILM !!

Scott

Kind of brings new understanding to that old saying about shooting the messenger, doesn't it?
 
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