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Thanks for the responses and encouraging words fellow APUG and film users! I have a what I believe to be small bag as I suspect since I didn't know how to buy one, it is a 16x16 size thought it is usable just but with patients and enough insanity to do so, and thankfully I have plenty of insanity! To load the reel I place everything in the bag before sealing it, rod, reel, cap and cover for it, some scissors and of course the film! I know learned by mistake that I need to remove the paper first which I do. Then I get the end of the film lord knows which side though I'm uncertain if this matters? I do assure it's the natural curly side! I am unsure if it's even safe to touch the exposure as well seeing that I may ruin it without the idea of proper handling process! I use my left hand to hold the reel and my right to press down the little lip thingy, for lack of proper identification, I then slip the films end in there all while I hold the reel to the floor of the bag stabilized by a coffee table, and as I roll and rolled until my arms tired and profusely sweat, I attempt to keep it aligned and secured without loose placement, it still bends and feels crooked! I had to assume that the spool was in fact not 120, however I didn't give up unfortunately and instead I left it on the spool
 

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645 depends on the camera. A few give 16 but most only get 15. I get 15 with my Mamiya 645 Pro.

Oh and 6x7 is typically 10 shots.

I With the cameras I use for 645 I always get 16, at least with 3 of the 4 I have, my three ensigns, a Commando, selfix 16/20 amd my latest, a Autorange 220, all give me 16, and only two are ruby window cameras, the 220 has a film counter from 1950 that works perfectly, the only one that gives 15 is my Bronica etr, but I very rarely use that camera
 

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I With the cameras I use for 645 I always get 16, at least with 3 of the 4 I have, my three ensigns, a Commando, selfix 16/20 amd my latest, a Autorange 220, all give me 16, and only two are ruby window cameras, the 220 has a film counter from 1950 that works perfectly, the only one that gives 15 is my Bronica etr, but I very rarely use that camera

Humm, all those are older models. Maybe newer ones are more likely to only get 15?

I only have the 645 Pro in that format and it's 15 (30 on 220 of which I have a few rolls left.)
 

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Just reading this makes me sweat!

You need to:

1) search for a video that shows you how to load steel reels; and
2) practice outside the bag, first in the light, and then in the dark or, if necessary, with your eyes closed.

Do you have a room or small workplace you can temporarily darken? You can always load reels and tanks at night, and then develop the next day. I find it way easier to load reels outside a changing bag.

The film naturally curls with the emulsion in. You should load the film that way.

Once in the dark, start unrolling the paper backing. When you reach the film, you will feel it. Pull it slightly away from the paper, and then continue to unroll the paper. You should find that the film will start rolling itself seperately into its own tube.

When you reach the tape holding the film to the paper, grab the tube of film gently by the edges and peel the tape off of the paper. Fold the tape over the edge of the film, to form a slightly stiffer surface.

Insert that taped end of the film into the clip on the reel. The reel needs to be oriented so the spiral is spinning the right way - the same way as the curl of the film. You need to be sure that the film is centred in the reel.

Hold the reel with one hand, and the edges of the film with the other. You use the hand holding the film to "cup" the film slightly so as to ensure that it stays within the spiral. You use your other hand to slowly rotate the reel, in order to pull the film into it along the spiral.

Most likely this will work best for you if you hold the reel upright, with the tube of film held horizontal. If the film loads properly, it will have a distinctive (and satisfying) feel and sound - a gentle and even scrape. A changing bag may make it hard to hear the sound.

When you think you have loaded the film, run your fingers along the sides of the reel. If any film sticks out a lot, it is crooked and you will need to unload it until the point where it went out of alignment. I find that it helps if I gently push the film slightly into the reel and then pull it slightly out of the reel after each turn - if it does that without binding it is most likely loadng true.

Once you get the hang of it, you will wonder what you were worrying about.

Thanks for the responses and encouraging words fellow APUG and film users! I have a what I believe to be small bag as I suspect since I didn't know how to buy one, it is a 16x16 size thought it is usable just but with patients and enough insanity to do so, and thankfully I have plenty of insanity! To load the reel I place everything in the bag before sealing it, rod, reel, cap and cover for it, some scissors and of course the film! I know learned by mistake that I need to remove the paper first which I do. Then I get the end of the film lord knows which side though I'm uncertain if this matters? I do assure it's the natural curly side! I am unsure if it's even safe to touch the exposure as well seeing that I may ruin it without the idea of proper handling process! I use my left hand to hold the reel and my right to press down the little lip thingy, for lack of proper identification, I then slip the films end in there all while I hold the reel to the floor of the bag stabilized by a coffee table, and as I roll and rolled until my arms tired and profusely sweat, I attempt to keep it aligned and secured without loose placement, it still bends and feels crooked! I had to assume that the spool was in fact not 120, however I didn't give up unfortunately and instead I left it on the spool
 

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Humm, all those are older models. Maybe newer ones are more likely to only get 15?

I only have the 645 Pro in that format and it's 15 (30 on 220 of which I have a few rolls left.)

It depends on the film path.

I get 16 when I use the 645 backs for my RB67. IIRC the Hasselblad 645 backs give you 16 as well.
 

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Here are some youtube tutorials:

1. this one shows the most, and is closest to the way I work (subject to my challenges with the clip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hrFangkvbw;
2. this one is short and sweet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwiESmJiP4Q . The Hewes reels referenced are an excellent choice;
3. this one is interesting as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsdeNBm_50

All three show people touching the back (non-emulsion) sides of the film with their fingers. That is generally okay, but it is even better to use nitrile gloves if you can. If you must work without gloves, wash and dry your hands first.

Hope this helps.
 
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Here are some youtube tutorials:

1. this one shows the most, and is closest to the way I work (subject to my challenges with the clip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hrFangkvbw;
2. this one is short and sweet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwiESmJiP4Q . The Hewes reels referenced are an excellent choice;
3. this one is interesting as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsdeNBm_50

All three show people touching the back (non-emulsion) sides of the film with their fingers. That is generally okay, but it is even better to use nitrile gloves if you can. If you must work without gloves, wash and dry your hands first.

Hope this helps.



Matt, thank you very much for your time, and advice! I can't wait to do another roll in fact I have one but I think I may have ruined it already by improper loading and unloading! Either way I have more film to use and more film in my B&H Photo shopping cart!
 

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Matt, thank you very much for your time, and advice! I can't wait to do another roll in fact I have one but I think I may have ruined it already by improper loading and unloading! Either way I have more film to use and more film in my B&H Photo shopping cart!

The tutorials are good, but practice is better.

I wouldn't try loading another important roll until I had successfully loaded a practice roll, in the dark or with eyes tightly closed, at least 12 times in a row.
 

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I've been developing my own B&W film for almost 40 years...and have never been able to load a reel in the changing bag...I've never really had much luck with stainless steel reels either. Started with the old GAF plastic tank and reels (the stirring rod was also a thermometer)...and have used Patterson tanks and reels for a long time. They have their own challenges but, they seem to work for me. When I was young, I had the luxury of a dedicated dark room. Now that I own my own home, I have no such luxury. I load the film on the reels in the bathroom. Close the door, turn off the lights, shove a towel up under the crack between the bottom of the door and the floor...then get in the tub and close the shower curtain...it works.

As others have said, practice, practice, practice....in the light, then with your eyes closed and then in the dark. It will eventually become second nature.
 
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I've been developing my own B&W film for almost 40 years...and have never been able to load a reel in the changing bag...I've never really had much luck with stainless steel reels either. Started with the old GAF plastic tank and reels (the stirring rod was also a thermometer)...and have used Patterson tanks and reels for a long time. They have their own challenges but, they seem to work for me. When I was young, I had the luxury of a dedicated dark room. Now that I own my own home, I have no such luxury. I load the film on the reels in the bathroom. Close the door, turn off the lights, shove a towel up under the crack between the bottom of the door and the floor...then get in the tub and close the shower curtain...it works.

As others have said, practice, practice, practice....in the light, then with your eyes closed and then in the dark. It will eventually become second nature.

I am a bit lucky, my guest restroom offers complete darkness, as it is in the middle of the home, and has no windows, or cracks underneath the door! I will use it often, and I will use a towel for comfort, however, I depend on the bag, as a mean of laziness, and I guess promptness? Thanks again everyone!
 
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cOULD ANYONE DIRECT ME TO THE "BEST" BANG FOR MY BUCK 120 TANK REEL from JOBO,OR THE LIKE? tHANKS GUYS! -aMERICO
 

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cOULD ANYONE DIRECT ME TO THE "BEST" BANG FOR MY BUCK 120 TANK REEL from JOBO,OR THE LIKE? tHANKS GUYS! -aMERICO

Two of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/122989-REG/Samigon_ESA325_Multi_Format_Autofeed_Reel.html

And one of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40338-REG/Paterson_PTP116_Multi_Reel_3_Tank_ONLY.html

This will permit you to develop two 120 films at the same time.

In fact, once you gain some experience, you may be able to use it for 4 rolls at once.

But if you do learn to use the stainless steel reels, they are really great, and preferred by many.

I prefer them for 35mm.
 
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Two of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/122989-REG/Samigon_ESA325_Multi_Format_Autofeed_Reel.html

And one of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40338-REG/Paterson_PTP116_Multi_Reel_3_Tank_ONLY.html

This will permit you to develop two 120 films at the same time.

In fact, once you gain some experience, you may be able to use it for 4 rolls at once.

But if you do learn to use the stainless steel reels, they are really great, and preferred by many.

I prefer them for 35mm.

Matt, aWESOME SUGGESTIONS THANKS! i HAVE seen way to many, to even get a clue where to start, aside from budget, of course! Hmm, I wonder if I could fit 220 into my Pentacon Six TL? Well, back to the research! Thanks again for your time, and help! I cant wait to shoot and develop more! happy photography! -Americo

P.S.S, my darn keyboard has a capital mind of its own! xD
 

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Yes, 220 will work fine in the Pentacon. When you have made the twelfth exposure, simply press the button by the wind-on lever and then the counter proceeds onwards to twenty-four. Details are shown on that site I linked above. Although I have never used 220 in my P6's the functionality (with the little switch) is the same that one uses to wind-on the tail at the end of 120, and that works perfectly every time.

As you are having problems with 120 length film, you need to be aware that 220 film is twice as long and that you may (almost certainly) need a different steel-reel to load it instead of the 120.

With the Paterson plastic reels you can load the 220 length on the same reel as 120/127/135, as it's a 'universal' design. However, roll film is less stiff than 135 and to have that long a piece of film sliding smoothly through the reel will require a very clean and very dry reel, of course.
 

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And there is no black and white film currently produced in 220 size.:sad:
 

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Yes, there is that tiny little problem of course! There is no doubt a lot about in peoples freezers, or the draw under the counter with old leftovers in etc. etc.
 
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And there is no black and white film currently produced in 220 size.:sad:

Ahh, that does seem to pose a problem, and,well, I have enough of those, so, I'll just skip that 220 part! xD Rock on fellow film freaks! xD Happy photography! -Americo Rodriguez aka a.rodriguezpix elsewhere xD
 
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Yes, 220 will work fine in the Pentacon. When you have made the twelfth exposure, simply press the button by the wind-on lever and then the counter proceeds onwards to twenty-four. Details are shown on that site I linked above. Although I have never used 220 in my P6's the functionality (with the little switch) is the same that one uses to wind-on the tail at the end of 120, and that works perfectly every time.

As you are having problems with 120 length film, you need to be aware that 220 film is twice as long and that you may (almost certainly) need a different steel-reel to load it instead of the 120.

With the Paterson plastic reels you can load the 220 length on the same reel as 120/127/135, as it's a 'universal' design. However, roll film is less stiff than 135 and to have that long a piece of film sliding smoothly through the reel will require a very clean and very dry reel, of course.

Martin, Thankyou very much, for the prompt, and thorough response, I appreciate it all!
 
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I forgot to add, that I relied solely on my Samsung Note 3 as a meter, with an app I purchased for $2.00! I give it, Light Meter, 6 thumbs up! by a.rodriguezpix, on Flickr

If you have 6 thumbs, you may need extra practice loading the reels:D
 
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If you have 6 thumbs, you may need extra practice loading the reels:D

Lol, That is for certain! Sadly, I only have the two! I do have a Gossen Sixtar, that I just don't understand how to use! i don't get what read! the needle is constant that i know, however, how do i know which aperture to shoot at??:blink:
20140804_212236 by a.rodriguezpix, on Flickr
 
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And there is no black and white film currently produced in 220 size.:sad:

And as far as I recall only Kodak Portra in color and, while an excellent film, the 220 costs more than twice as much as the 120.

I only got a 220 insert because I got some frozen 220 film that's still fine, and the insert for my 645 Pro only cost me ten bucks or so IIRC. My Yashicamat 124 handles either by moving the pressure plate.
 

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If there is nothing worth saving on your first roll, you can practice with that.

In the first video Matt posted, you may notice the person bowing the film lengthwise for just a moment when starting. That is close to how I do it. However, for me, once started, 120 seems to find it's way easily. The most difficult part seems to be getting it started correctly.
I will have to try it as the videos show.
 
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