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Thanks - so no clarity at the time about what was going to happen with respect to black and white chemicals.
Apparently, prior to purchasing the section, Sino Promise Holdings distributed more Kodak Alaris supplied Kodak branded photo products (including film, chemicals and colour paper) than any other distributor in the world. The fact that Adox and Fotoimpex was unaware of them says a lot about how regional much of the photographic business still is.
 

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There was no word at all about black and white chemicals, no one to ask and nowehere to call.

And this, as much as anything else, is the difference between the Great Yellow Father so many of us grew up with and the modern mess that's Kodak etc.
 

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Thanks - so no clarity at the time about what was going to happen with respect to black and white chemicals.
Apparently, prior to purchasing the section, Sino Promise Holdings distributed more Kodak Alaris supplied Kodak branded photo products (including film, chemicals and colour paper) than any other distributor in the world. The fact that Adox and Fotoimpex was unaware of them says a lot about how regional much of the photographic business still is.
Kodak minilab and professional lab products always had their own channel. There are still a lot of digital images printed on RA-4 paper but this market is completely a parallel world or in other words "there´s nothing there that we could buy and use". Are you sure about film?
We would like to cut Kodak RA-4 MR´s to sheets but we cannot get them and we never could. Volumes there might be large but ties to our market have been cut over 20+ years ago.
And yes, Kodak is extremely sensitive about regional markets. We are obliged to buy from the German branch only and if we try to import (e.g. because it is not even sold in Germany) it will get held up in customs and destroyed. Once we wanted to convert TRI-X into a kit with paper for an out of EU customer and those films were held at customs for weeks and almost destroyed. Only due to good contacts to what was Kodak at the time we could resolve the issue :smile:
 
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Are you sure about film?
On the Sino Promise website, they have a products tab which lists each product line they distribute. If you click on the Kodak Alaris link in that list, you get this graphic and wording, which has clearly been either created by Kodak Alaris or developed with them:
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What a mess. It's a shame. What is going to happen with the film side???
When it changes hands hopefully it's handled better. Very sad.
 

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1991 called, they want their graphics back.

More like 2005. The web wasn't even really a thing in 1991. And personally, I prefer it to endless scrolling HTML5 "pages" that have 15 words each and a massive background image.
 

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Anyway, all innovative initiatives are deserving. That's why after years of using XTOL I'm going to try your product that I just ordered from Fotoimpex.
Thank you for everything you do!

There will be an SDS soon. Xtol as per the latest known MSDS is NOT free of carcinogenic substances as it still contains the allowed threshhold of 5% in borates (Sodium tetraborate, pentahydrate). It is one of our claims for XT-3 to have eliminated this component. XT-3 is thus "greener" than Xtol.
 
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Are there any tests planned to see if XT-3 can be replenished in the same way as Xtol, and also if old replenished Xtol can be further replenished with XT-3 ?
Such tests would be very appreciated.

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Are there any tests planned to see if XT-3 can be replenished in the same way as Xtol, and also if old replenished Xtol can be further replenished with XT-3 ?
Such tests would be very appreciated.

Karl-Gustaf

I've considered my batch of Xtol-R a lost cause at this point. But yes I did indeed plan on looking at replenishment soon, though probably not at the onset just so I can have a bit of a baseline.
 

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I just received and used XT-3 yesterday.
Part A dissolve like charm @20 degrees Celsius, giving a yellow tint to the solution.
Part B was longer to dissolve because of some bigger crystals. The solution turn clear after it.

No powder in the air, totally odorless.
4 stock solutions shots are now ready in bottles to test #development the same as I do with #Kodak #XTOL.
I’ll start trying #120film with #TriX, #Fomapan 400, #Tmax 400 and #fujifilm #Acros soon.
2 films went well right now, I need to scan them for detailed review.
 

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My first time using XT-3 worked rather well! I souped some Fomapan 200 sheets in it with a 1:1 dilution and a time of 7:30 at 20C. I used Massive Dev as a quick reference then took 15% off as I use a rotary process. This gave me basically the same times I was using with Xtol-R so that all seemed right. The results are drying now but inspecting by eye shows pretty good highlight density and shadow detail.

I really wanted to do some H&D curves and once Freestyle gets some XT-3 in I might grab a few more bags so I can justify doing that, though the benefits of replenishment become immediately clear for that if I'm only doing small strips or 1 sheet of film. My idea there, at least for 35mm, is to dev 1 roll but then make a quick test strip using the same film to develop with it. That way I'm not needlessly wasting XT-3.

I have high hopes it can be replenished but I think I should perhaps continue using it as is until I'm a bit more comfortable with it, though so far it does feel very similar to Xtol itself.

One question I had for folks is, what temperature do you tend to store your developers at (XT-3 included)? I was given a small fridge to use in my darkroom that I wanted to try and keep at 20C but the warmest setting is more like 10C. I wanted to keep them in there just so I don't have to carry chemicals back and forth (as my darkroom is basically a shed and so I only cool or warm it when I'm actually using it). Any concerns with keeping XT-3 that cold?
 
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@m00dawg I keep all my chemicals in the shed outside: liquid concentrates, powder, working solution, C41, B&W, everything. In the winter the temperature stays between 45-55F, in the summer it's 60-75F. Never had any problems with my Xtol replenisher, and XT-3 is supposed to be pretty close.

That's some lovely weather you have! Our summers can get above 104F. Some summers it's brutal with over 100 degree weather everyday. Other summers have been more reasonable where most days are in the 90's. My shed is insulated but still some gaps I need to work on (namely around the door) though given how hot our days get, I would expect my shed to be quite hot in the afternoons. The heat is what I'm mostly worried about. In the winters, we can get freezes but it's rare they last long enough to freeze things inside something like a shed (though we got slammed with a huge winter storm in a few months ago).
 

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@m00dawg In the winter the temperature stays between 45-55F, in the summer it's 60-75F. Never had any problems with my Xtol replenisher, and XT-3 is supposed to be pretty close.

Now that is what I call the "right climate" Never below 45 and never above 75. Can you or anyone else living there, spare a few square miles for us in the U.K.? :smile:

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As the OP, any chance we can get back to the topic at hand, folks? I don't come here for commentary on the divided state of America politics - I come here to share our common shared bond of the love of analog photography, politics be damned. Thanks!
 
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Getting back to it, here's a couple images (from negative scans) I got back from my first go of XT-3 using the times I mentioned up above. This is Fomapan 200 in 4x5, a film I chose for my "one shot per week" challenge. Because of the Xtol issue, while I had planned to use the same developer for the challenge, I ended up just embracing change and tried several. The first few sheets were dev'd in Xtol-R, then I tried Microphen, ID-11, and now XT-3 for the latest ones. In comparing to the Xtol ones, the XT-3 ones aren't quite as dense, but I suspect I was probably over-developing the Xtol. I might add maybe 30 seconds to my times for the next go 'round though. I've also adjusted my metering a bit since Jan so not exactly apples to apples. I rate all my Fomapan 200 at 100 also.

Anyways, with that in mind, the results are quite lovely! Grain is very tame and in fact I'm curious to try XT-3 with T-Max P3200 as I've found it souped very well in Xtol. Tonal range is also beautiful good, though these are film scans and not darkroom prints and that will be the real test for me.

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Overall I'm very impressed! I'm trying to avoid jumping into replenishment too soon but I really REALLY miss it. Everytime I think about doing an exposure test and making H&D curves I think about how much that will cost, not so much in price but time to wait on more XT-3. 150ml would be the min about of stick I'd feel comfortable using (300ml in 1:1) and that can go pretty quick if just developing a small 35mm test strip or 1 4x5 sheet.

That gets to me my real concern which is the time it's taking to get my hands on XT-3. I prefer to use FotoImpex but the DHL US Covid tax and the customs delays are making that less palatable. And in fact oddly the package I ordered a few days prior to ordering the XT-3 has yet to arrive which is making me concerned that it might be lost. That one contained the special edition Silvermax rolls. DHL says it's being sent to USPS but USPS shows no record of it, so that package is currently somewhere in the Ether. Hopefully once Freestyle has it I'll feel a bit better as right now every drop of this stuff feels precious.

I suspect that's a transient issue though, I'll continue to say it, I do not have good experiences with DHL Germany though I know at least one of the bottlenecks is US customs (and certainly my package containing XT-3 was stuck there for at least a week). I recall one package I ordered from a vendor in Germany that used DHL took *SIX MONTHS* to get to me (that was before the pandemic). It was so long we thought the package was lost. That's longer than it took to sail from Europe to America by wooden sailing ship!

One way to help solve that is to simply by a lot of XT-3 in one go of course. I currently have 2 bags remaining which hopefully will last me a while. Again, a nod to replenishment, even with aggressive replenishment rates, two can last quite a while.
 

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Thanks Gregg! Yep so far I'm impressed! I'll be souping some more film today more than likely. Not sure what yet exactly as I have quite a backlog. I think I'll pick the RPX 400 I shot yesterday as that was a bit of a test roll to make sure my Yashica LM is working right, but I also have some CHS ii in sheets and several 35mm and 120 rolls over the past few months that are just sitting in a drawer at the moment. Lots of various films there so I'll likely have some comments on those too. Rather excited to see how TMZ looks in XT-3 as I found it often worked very well in Xtol.
 
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