I received these results from the same friend in Cairo.In my experience slide film never loses its sensitivity, only becomes more whacky over time - less dense, colors shifting, fogging... The same has been repeated on othe threads too.
If you need reliable results, this party will hardly be for that I guess.
Set your ASA to box speed and bracket exposures while you're testing those reversal processes. Then you'll arrive at the actual sensitivity too.
What would you do if you were in my place?
yes dear brotherI'm lacking in my theoretical knowledge, but I still want to shoot some expired film and to play around with it, developing it the untraditional way... Therefore I tend just to do the experiment and see for myself. But it seems legit a starting point, yes.
Remember, people aren't buying expired film for perfect response and predictable results, it's just not how it works. Maybe you're trying to beat a dead camel... a tad too much as well, so to say?
There's no such a thing as free lunch. I'd suggest you just simply forget about perfection and reliability with expired film, and started thinking funky and experimentation. If not, one solution could be that of a seasoned teacher - have a roll of cheap and fresh film (Fomapan?) and a roll of expired for your students - teach them about the effect of expiration dates, storage conditions and untraditional developing methods, while having reliable shots from the fresh stock for reliability and comparison, for example.
About these images - effects of expiration date + exposure problems? Slide film cannot pick up as many info as negatives do, so in slides the exposure should be on-point. Last pictures especially hint me of metering problems in harsh contrast. Try less harsher light (around the time of Golden hours), Zone system or metering from your subject (meter close if don't have a spot meter), not including the background in the reading.
So I guess you're set for some experimentation - have fun cheers!
My dear brother, respected Mr. Donald,Since you have known good C-41 color developer, assuming you have enough of this film to test with, I'd try a roll or partial roll in the same E-6 process, but using C-41 color developer in place of the E-6 color developer. This should produce color positives with small color shifts (due to not quite right dye formation by CD-4 instead of the CD-3 you'd have in E-6). If that works, you'll have confirmed that either it was a one-time problem (like getting the chemicals out of order -- happens to the best of us) or your E-6 color developer has gone completely inert.
Another test would be to develop a black and white leader in the E-6 color developer -- you can do this in the light. If it turns black in a couple minutes, the color developer is probably fine and it was a process error; if not, that color developer is dead.
I've read this whole thread and haven't found anything useful.You might want to check with @earlz who has done quite a bit of experimentation to process E6 film as transparencies using C41 chemistry before you do anything on your own:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...-6-transparencies-with-c-41-chemicals.160510/
I've read this whole thread and haven't found anything useful.
His idea of this topic is based on the fact that the photographer has a roll negative (C41), but he wants to produce a color positive transparency film similar to (E6) films.
No need to facepalm. Jordan uses moderately fresh film and tries to use C-41 chems to develop it. Mohmad has long expired film and tries to get usable images. If his film rolls are so poorly stored, that E6 developer yields blank slides, then Jordan's process will indeed not help.\facepalm
God bless you dear sir.I edited one of them.
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My dear teacher (Alexander's father)No need to facepalm. Jordan uses moderately fresh film and tries to use C-41 chems to develop it. Mohmad has long expired film and tries to get usable images. If his film rolls are so poorly stored, that E6 developer yields blank slides, then Jordan's process will indeed not help.
PS: In the same way I would predict, that Agfa Scala process will yield unusable slides, but I have been surprised by Mohmad's experimental results more than once.
Indian brother.\facepalm
I thought you wanted to convert them all to BW??God bless you dear sir.
Thank you for your interest.
But I belong to a school (no modification).
With all due respect to everyone who disagrees with my approach, this is my photographic philosophy.
Modification can be resorted to only in the event of an emergency accident during filming or development.
yes dear brother,I thought you wanted to convert them all to BW??
, even if one day we want to print the analogue of this negative
I remember a lot of threads on developing c41 as B&W, but not many on slide film (a quick search was fruitless). Most replies here seem to focus on color results - but he specifically wants B&W.
In post 32 he mentioned negatives as possibly acceptable.
I can't imagine it would be too difficult to develop E6 film as a B&W negative; simply using a B&W developer and fix (no bleach). I have no experience with this, but as others have said, you will have to experiment.
What will I say for a quick search?I remember a lot of threads on developing c41 as B&W, but not many on slide film (a quick search was fruitless). Most replies here seem to focus on color results - but he specifically wants B&W.
In post 32 he mentioned negatives as possibly acceptable.
I can't imagine it would be too difficult to develop E6 film as a B&W negative; simply using a B&W developer and fix (no bleach). I have no experience with this, but as others have said, you will have to experiment.
Yes, I understand your point, dear brother.If you enlarge your c41 developed slide film on b&w paper, you get b&w prints.
can we get black and white negative or positive film using E6 film?
This is the main goal.
What will I say for a quick search?
We have 300 rolls (E6) that are expired and have been in very bad storage since the early nineties.
We want to take advantage of this wealth, as the price of a roll is approximately one and a quarter dollars.
How is this stock used?
Either by producing a color transparency film (which is an unrealistic option).
Or a black and white film (either positive or negative).
We do not want to get a color film negative via the C41 process.
Of course, if I wrote all this to the quick researcher, he would kick me in the back.
The situation is unique and has never happened before. There is no topic that matches this topic.
I'm not a new member here, I've been a member since 2012 and I've never had anything like this.
If you have an answer for this, I would be grateful.
Yes, I agree with you my dear brother.Increased agitation frequency will boost the contrast further, if needed.
Yes, this roller was developed by one of my trainees at his home, without him coordinating with me.At the very beginning of the thread, you showed that you successfully developed some of the film using a black and white developer. The contrast was low, so perhaps developing longer would boost it. Perhaps try a few different developers to see which one works best.
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