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Bank managers wont lend money at risk...

As a general rule one is only going to promise to pay for money later when one is short of money now. Given the nature of a promise, then bank managers can ONLY lend money at risk. There is no other option, and they could not be in business otherwise.

Risk is not a binary condition. It's a continuum and thus simply a question of degree.

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I sat eagerly in front of my television the night that MTV debuted. I've loved this song ever since.

The video, well... I don't know that it has held up so well. But the song is a Great Song.

The problem is that radio is hanging tough even today. And if you include radio-ish things like podcasts, it's doing pretty well indeed.

But MTV doesn't really have all that much to do with music anymore, not to mention music videos... And although plenty of folks are making music videos, no one thinks a music video is going to break a song like they did in the MTV heyday.

So video didn't really kill the radio star, either...
 

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Amen to this!!
 
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We're feeling pretty good about our chances.

Good to read!

Why don't you ask Kodak for a license to produce - let's say - Ektachrom 100 film for 135, 120, 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10 cameras? It could be that you also could get the productions machines for the material. Or you might ask Fuji for a license to produce Astia 100. Fuji Provia 100F is already sold under the Agfa label, which means Fuji produces for Agfa and Agfa sells the film cheaper than Fuji film shops (at least in Germany).

I could imagine that paying for a license would be more effective than investing millions in research and development.
 

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If only it were that simple.

They've got their work cut out doing what they're doing without trying to make other people's formulas and run other people's machines.
 
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You are daydreaming!
It would be very complex and complicated to replicate a film from another manufacturer even if the same machines were used.
They would never be the same
Kodak made Tri-X in the US and in the UK. The UK version was slightly different, even though it was the same label and same film name.

Agfaphoto CT Precisa 100 isn't Fuji Provia F. You got that wrong.
The Agfaphoto film is made by Fuji using an OLDER formula of Provia 100 (no F there). That's why it is cheaper.
 

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Its always possible and im not against if the idea if kodak were open to it.
But there was nothing wrong with any of the modern Ferrania film stocks and their Scotch chrome reversal film was a great alternative to e100g with great results if you check out flickr. Also Solaris was a great negative stock, hopefully we will see that reintroduced too
 

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My point when saying that things should get a bit easier R&D wise once they have film for sale was because of increased revenue. Right now, do I really want more than one or two Film Ferrania T-shirts? Probably not. Ferrania film, however, is likely to be a different story. Once I've purchased and shot some Ferrania film, if I like the results (which is likely given what I've seen on Flickr and the like that was shot with the latest versions Scotch Chrome), I'll be buying more. Film is a consumable product in a way that T-shirts are not, which means repeat sales. Right now, I can't purchase the re-engineered Ferrania E-6 product, because it's not yet available. Right now, Ferrania's revenue from film sales is zero. Once they're up and running, their revenue from film sales is likely to be higher, and with higher revenues comes increased chances of profitability. The more profitable they are, the more likely we are to see additional Ferrania film products, and the more likely they are to do upgrades to their factory, and so on.

I agree with Xmas about the idea of using kickstarter for an ISO 400 re-engineer. That's a great plan. You pay no interest with Kickstarter. Sure, you may have to promise the contributors some rewards, but once they are delivered you've essentially "paid back the loan."
 

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Agfa Mortsel will never be closed. Nato/Otan and the european union is wisely keeping them alive! Cheers to Michel Schots-hope he is ok and many thanks for the huge amount of 70mm-testfilms for panoramic use. They will soon be revived. Was busy with 3dstereo-digital the last years and with Computer the other time.
 

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Hardly E-6-rather C-41

Lets be realistic. There will be no E-6-future. Why? for projection? Scanning is difficult. and no labs to develop. who has jobo-processors and is shooting E-6? very few people.
The future lies in non-masked C-41 like agfa-avicolor is offering in their X-100 and x400-only 70mm, 126mm and 240mm. pity they dont offer longroll 120/220. yes i can cut down. but better getting such longrolls and adding paper myself. btw: one could join 2x120 to get oversized 220 leading to around 29 images 6x6.
 

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Digibase 200 IS Avicolor X100

AGFA do
This is sold as Digibase CN200
It seems avicolor x100 is a bit more sensitive than iso 100. i have read those 200iso would be a bit underexposed.
Agfa should also offer us a longroll 120-version so we could add paper for 120/220. I will cut down 70mm meanwhile. Where is Avicolor available outside CH?
 

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New thread needed: Filmtypes, Producers and Sale-sources

Someone with a lot of knowledge should start a new thread, maybe in Sticky-section for an overview of all filmtypes, origin of make and sale-locations. sections for 35mm 120/220 and 70mm and the other sizes seperated not a mix of all sizes.
 

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Old film processed- There is a project-lab

On dpreview maybe also here there was a report about a lab developping old exposed film of any kind.
 

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Someone with a lot of knowledge should start a new thread, maybe in Sticky-section for an overview of all filmtypes, origin of make and sale-locations. sections for 35mm 120/220 and 70mm and the other sizes seperated not a mix of all sizes.

We have already had many threads on that. The paper for 220 is hard to manufacture and Ilford cannot get it. Next will come on how to make Kodachrome in an abandoned barn ignoring the may problems get it processed.
 

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We will see...

In my experience, Agfa color films did not keep well even when frozen.

PE
... when i will unfroze and expose old agfa avicolor n400, h100.
My experience using outdated kodak 400 films: expose at 200 and overdevelop a bit 15% if scenery is contrasty. Dream HDR-panoramas rotapancam used. New film will never handle that. Will publish details also about prefogging to cut contrast when time is ripe.
 

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Orwo N74 plus 400 iso....

....http://www.orwona.com/brands/ORWO.html
also 100 iso UN54

and on the other german movie-site here
http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katalog/04_filmm/35_filmm.php
 

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And non-masked color will set color film back 100 years!

PE

Not to mention that non-masked negative film would be no easier to scan than masked negative film.

Some people seem to forget that the colours are reversed in colour negative films.
 

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My freezer is set far below normal household levels. Agfacolor neg. went fast!

PE
agfacolor 100(dont know if the right name, the contrasty one) was afga avicolor h100. has very special effect to reproduce greens and overcome haze. no wonder its an avi-film. uv-filter built-in. good push and pull.
 

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Why E6-Chemicals?Tetenal has them-who else?

Tetenal has E6-chemical. 3 bath only?
 

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Diagram ontop of...

.. the link-site! Open your eyes an mind.
 

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No hard homeprocessing E6...

..if you have a Jobo rotatory machine. And its really easy getting film(undried) within 30 min. There is also an easy-solution to mount 70mm film in 2500-type-reels without the need of special 2517-reel(70mm-220-lenght 172cm)
and its also easy push-processing.
 

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I am finally through pages 1-25, then 75 to the end.

That were long and mostly boring hours going through mostly unnecessary posts with the culmination some mentioning the cameras they will use and which ferrania cam was produced...Pls think before posting anything here. and pls stop thanking.
here is the timeline:
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i also dont believe we will see the new machine ready producing film before 1 year. Why bother, the world will not go under.
He said there will be two colorlines, it must be 35 and 120. i only hope they will offer bulk. no need for special printing. offer it in neutral package. Its good to think about E6 if there is a shortage but C41 is more demanded. What are the supporters wishes?
 

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Not to mention that non-masked negative film would be no easier to scan than masked negative film.

One argument when introducing unmasked colour films was just that it was better to scan due to reduced D-max.
 

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And non-masked color will set color film back 100 years!

The first film with integrated colour masking was introduced in 1948.

Furthermore it has been stated that image-dye deficencies can be coped by other means than masking too. Though I can't comment on that.
 
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