Bank managers wont lend money at risk...
Pencils did not kill the fountain pen, as it was theorized at the time.
Radio did not kill the theater.
TV did not kill movies.
Photoshop did not kill paint, canvas, brushes, etc.
Despite many attempts, nothing has killed vinyl records.
Tablets have not killed anything they were predicted to kill - from pencils and paper, to books and magazines, to gaming consoles and TVs.
We're feeling pretty good about our chances.
Good to read!
Why don't you ask Kodak for a license to produce - let's say - Ektachrom 100 film for 135, 120, 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10 cameras? It could be that you also could get the productions machines for the material. Or you might ask Fuji for a license to produce Astia 100. Fuji Provia 100F is already sold under the Agfa label, which means Fuji produces for Agfa and Agfa sells the film cheaper than Fuji film shops (at least in Germany).
I could imagine that paying for a license would be more effective than investing millions in research and development.
Good to read!
Why don't you ask Kodak for a license to produce - let's say - Ektachrom 100 film for 135, 120, 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10 cameras? It could be that you also could get the productions machines for the material. Or you might ask Fuji for a license to produce Astia 100. Fuji Provia 100F is already sold under the Agfa label, which means Fuji produces for Agfa and Agfa sells the film cheaper than Fuji film shops (at least in Germany).
I could imagine that paying for a license would be more effective than investing millions in research and development.
My comment was on the text...
Bank managers wont lend money at risk, they are more prone to confiscate your umberella on a rainy day.
Agfa's factory equipment was sold off for 'instant' cash. After Agfa sold the factory cheap as a 'going' concern.
Kodak have been an outstanding example of ineffectual US management. They are still making lots of money from 'Legacy' products. They are using the money to fund new developments. They have hicked the price of the product I might have bought.
Fiji only has one mono film left.
If Ferrania needed more money e.g. for a 400 ISO film 'reengineer' it is another kickstart, to be fair this is the easy way. 'Bit easier to raise funds' no sorry no sale.
I apologize my point was not clear.
Agfa Mortsel will never be closed. Nato/Otan and the european union is wisely keeping them alive! Cheers to Michel Schots-hope he is ok and many thanks for the huge amount of 70mm-testfilms for panoramic use. They will soon be revived. Was busy with 3dstereo-digital the last years and with Computer the other time.I didnt think the impossible project used negative films? All that instant film is a positive image is it not?
Well its good to see another company making colour film anyway!
I hope they will be able to continue producing AGFA emulsions if AGFA in Belgium ever closes.
Lets be realistic. There will be no E-6-future. Why? for projection? Scanning is difficult. and no labs to develop. who has jobo-processors and is shooting E-6? very few people.I think the initial set of films they want to release, the 100 speed, the 400 speed, and the 800/3200 pushable film are what should come first. They've got good heads on their shoulders and are filling in the gaps in the market with this first set of plans. The 100 speed film obviously comes first, then work their way towards the higher speeds. If they decide the 800/3200 is not feasible, that's okay as long as they can bring back a 400 speed E-6 emulsion. All the rest of the talk in this thread about various things like a 640T film, or a color IR film, IMHO are nice-to-haves (I think I was one of the ones that brought up a 640T film, and for sure I mentioned color IR). First and foremost, we want Film Ferrania to be a healthy film company that can produce color (E-6/C-41) films, and it looks like they're well on their way.
It seems avicolor x100 is a bit more sensitive than iso 100. i have read those 200iso would be a bit underexposed.AGFA do
This is sold as Digibase CN200
Someone with a lot of knowledge should start a new thread, maybe in Sticky-section for an overview of all filmtypes, origin of make and sale-locations. sections for 35mm 120/220 and 70mm and the other sizes seperated not a mix of all sizes.Not sure that would be one that Dave would be able to answer clearly. While the folks here at APUG are great at pulling clues to see where products really come from, and we are great at sharing that knowledge, the norm in the industry is to have non-disclosure from day one.
WE know that OLD ferrania was a major supplier of both film and services. Besides all the private label film ADOX.de mentioned in a post that one of the coatings was "all slit to 35mm as we thought that ferrania was closing down for good" which implies that OLD ferrania did the slitting for them.
Last few batches of EDU.Ultra have come in cassettes that are identical to the last few batches of Ferrania colour negative, but that may have been OLD ferrania trying to maximize the value of what had become dead stock. The fact that EDU.ultra is now advertised as NOT having DX coding May be the proff of that theory as the stock of those cassettes has not gone. FOMA does not even acknowledge that they make EDU.Ultra. (other than the FOMApa data sheet that says the edge print may say FOMAPAN or ULTRA)
While it does not take rocket science to see for example that the NEW APX comes in the same cans, and boxes cut to teh same shape as Harmon films, thus implying that Harman are the folks that packaged them, We will never hear that from Simon Galley. AND their is only hints to figure out where that film was coated. It may have just as well been coated at one of the three known coating lines in Germany for example. (not sure if the smallest of those is actually running yet)
On dpreview maybe also here there was a report about a lab developping old exposed film of any kind.Most people keep their kodachrome in the freezer, and besides ive shot old kodachrome super8 that was long expired and not cold stored, and it shot fine, perhaps a little faded on one of the real old rolls from the 70's but this is not an issue.
Remember how Dwaynes received thousands of rolls from a railway photographer that had been unprocessed for many years?
I dont think the chemicals are too difficult to source, and i think its entirely feasible to get the k-lab working.
I have enough computer and electronics knowledge to help, but i live on the other side of the world. Im sure there are others there who can help get it working.
Hopefully we will hear from him again, last i heard, he was working on building his home (and presumably the room for the k-lab lol)
Someone with a lot of knowledge should start a new thread, maybe in Sticky-section for an overview of all filmtypes, origin of make and sale-locations. sections for 35mm 120/220 and 70mm and the other sizes seperated not a mix of all sizes.
... when i will unfroze and expose old agfa avicolor n400, h100.In my experience, Agfa color films did not keep well even when frozen.
PE
....http://www.orwona.com/brands/ORWO.htmlOK Dave, so it is exactly opposite to what I had pictured, the same copater with a bigger drying area, so you would be able to run the machine faster and still get the web to dry by the time it reaches the wind-up machine at the far end. with the whole thing being designed for a wider (but not too wide) coating head. say 2 or three feet. (and carefully figured so that you can slit what the Film base machine spits out efficiently before it is sent to the coating department.)
Sorry for all the speculation, in the last couple of years, with all the changes in the industry a lot of use have been peppering the Kodak Retirees in our midst (and the long suffering Mr. Galley) with questions intended to understand the process by which little cartridges and paper rolls mysteriously appear containing plastic with magical properties.
many of us also have little items taht we miss, like one B&W film company has apparently become unable to obtain DX coded empty cartridges, while another factory has spent about what you raised in the kickstarter just to set themselves up to make that item. SO there is a bit of "back of Mind" studying what you are up to in the hopes that your small agile factory will be able to fill that sort of gap.
Heck some days we even dream that you will be offering us a chance once a year to order 127 or 126 or 116/616 fomapan or FP4 or N74 or porta {OR even Ferraniacolor E6!}made by the firms in question, but spooled and packaged on a pre-order basis under a marketing agreement licence by FILMferania taking advantage of your unique ability to grab the very obsolete antique machinery that would make it possible for the metal value.
And non-masked color will set color film back 100 years!
PE
agfacolor 100(dont know if the right name, the contrasty one) was afga avicolor h100. has very special effect to reproduce greens and overcome haze. no wonder its an avi-film. uv-filter built-in. good push and pull.My freezer is set far below normal household levels. Agfacolor neg. went fast!
PE
Tetenal has E6-chemical. 3 bath only?Hello Dave,
I apologize if this has been answered before but I understand that it's Ferrania's long term plan to produce E6 chemistry.
At this moment my local lab has been forced to shut down E6 processing because their machine was configured for a 7 stage development process. Chemistry for such a process is unavailable I'm told and that only 3 stage kits remain and these machines can't be reconfigured for a 3 stage process.
We have small local outfits that are popping up to handle some E6 but it's not like it was prior to the discontinuation of these 7 stage kits.
Will Ferrania be producing both 7 stage chemistry for commercial applications as well as 3 stage kits for home development?
Thank you
.. the link-site! Open your eyes an mind.Sorry, I dont quite understand what you mean.
I would have to see a visual diagram to fully understand.
Those photos clearly show the film base making contact on the rollers.
Unless you are referring to the back of the film which is not yet coated? That would not be an issue if that was the case, since there is no emulsion on the other side to be disturbed (assuming the anti halation backing is coated on a seperate run), but are you saying each roller alternates with an undercut roller? That would make sense, but i dont see that from the photos.
As far as air bearings goes, do some rollers have these built into them?
..if you have a Jobo rotatory machine. And its really easy getting film(undried) within 30 min. There is also an easy-solution to mount 70mm film in 2500-type-reels without the need of special 2517-reel(70mm-220-lenght 172cm)Hi
But if you are running a lab you can scratch mix E6, [and the raw chemicals are still available (although nearest supplier is Germany for me)].
You only need a micro balance costing about 40 Euro, and water...
It is hard home processing E6 but I've done it in past...
Noel
Not to mention that non-masked negative film would be no easier to scan than masked negative film.
And non-masked color will set color film back 100 years!
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