Barn day to day: Just can imagine 10 guys all arguing about some other issues while PE is mixing up an emulsion. "Thread up that Jumbo damnit". But all of them are arguing whether the Magenta is so.After nearly four days without power in freezing weather, and a week without internet service, we still have no phone service. Roads are filled with debris and there are few traffic lights. And here you have posted 5 pages of delightful nonsense. Quack.
PE
After nearly four days without power in freezing weather, and a week without internet service, we still have no phone service. Roads are filled with debris and there are few traffic lights. And here you have posted 5 pages of delightful nonsense. Quack.
PE
People are getting their knickers in a twist over having to wait an extra 48 hours before they can order a roll of film. That just a few weeks ago didn't ever seem likely for a revival.
FWIW, our newest car is a 2014 Fiat 500. Designed in Italy, parts made in various places, car assembled in Mexico.
It is a fantastic car. Other than one small problem that was quickly fixed under warranty, no problems whatsoever, and it is a blast to drive. Comfortable, fuel efficient, remarkably spacious and well supported by a helpful dealer.
Way different than the FIATS around here in the 1970s.
And I always heard that it stood for "Fix It Again Tony".
Definitely Made-in-Italy, bought in the UK. Long before any US involvement. I just listed the faults in the first week.....the rust, leaking windows and the splitting seats followed within the year. By its 3rd Birthday, the car accommodated hens in a farmer's field. All 100% true, sorry.
Well, no. It's not that, infact I am not planning to buy P30 any time soon since I mainly shoot colour. I don't like when people make a lot to noise and nothing happens. I will repeat this over and over, there was no need to have a countdown especially if you end up setting it back. It doesn't look very professional, it is something I would expect to find in the lomography site, no offense.People are getting their knickers in a twist over having to wait an extra 48 hours before they can order a roll of film.
+10000000Many years ago, I was asked at a major international Kodak conference, how long it would take to redesign some software we used for emulsion making. I said, "with the present budget and manning it will take about 5 years". The head honcho said "you have 3". I replied "ok, we will do it in 3". Everyone laughed and I was the butt of many jokes for this, but my point was missed. I continued by saying that we would sacrifice quality and documentation in this rush. If you rush, the first thing to suffer are those two.
Same here.
PE
People are getting their knickers in a twist over having to wait an extra 48 hours before they can order a roll of film. That just a few weeks ago didn't ever seem likely for a revival.
If and when Ferrania finally succeed in producing film and honouring the kickstarter rewards it will be a minor miracle. The rewards couldn't be and never were guaranteed.
It's obviously disappointing to see so many delays, but this shouldn't be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Patience is the major commodity that seems in short supply around here.
People are getting their knickers in a twist over having to wait an extra 48 hours before they can order a roll of film.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can persist in reading what they think is being said rather than paying a little more attention in order to see what is actually being said. If you think it's about the fact of there having been a delay and that we are whining about having to wait another 48 hours, you have totally missed the point. If you look again at what Berri, railwayman3, cholentpot, twelvetone12, myself and others have repeatedly tried to make clear, you will realize that our concern is about something totally different, something we know from experience to be of vital importance, especially for a company at the vulnerable stage where Film Ferrania is now. Never have we criticized or questioned the fantastic work they are doing in reviving these products. I am not going to spoon-feed you by repeating here what has been said numerous times. Our criticism has consistently meant to be helpful. We want Film Ferrania to be a success story as much as everybody else. It is particularly disappointing that the Film Ferrania representative either did not see that or simply did not regard our well-meant observations as important enough. That is not the way to begin establishing healthy customer relationships.Patience is the major commodity that seems in short supply around here.
A little 'tough love', eh?Our criticism has consistently meant to be helpful..
In the UK there's a joke that FIAT stands for "Fix It Again Tomorrow"... they don't have the best reputation
Similarly, in Germany there's a joke that FIAT stands for "Fehler In Allen Teilen" (flaws in all parts).
But, from all persons I know which are driving a FIAT, I didn't hear anything bad about their cars. I've heard more complaints about VW cars in my circle of friends...
A little 'tough love', eh?
I wonder if there are also some other german jokes on the BMW and AUDI acronyms...!
Similarly, in Germany there's a joke that FIAT stands for "Fehler In Allen Teilen" (flaws in all parts).
After nearly four days without power in freezing weather, and a week without internet service, we still have no phone service. Roads are filled with debris and there are few traffic lights. And here you have posted 5 pages of delightful nonsense. Quack.
PE
Well, this is interesting. I wonder what the French have?In Brazil: "Fui Iludido, Agora é Tarde" (I've been deceived, now it's too late).
No, BMW is actually "Busen muessen wackeln". Not sure about AUDIBig Money Waste
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can persist in reading what they think is being said rather than paying a little more attention in order to see what is actually being said. If you think it's about the fact of there having been a delay and that we are whining about having to wait another 48 hours, you have totally missed the point. If you look again at what Berri, railwayman3, cholentpot, twelvetone12, myself and others have repeatedly tried to make clear, you will realize that our concern is about something totally different, something we know from experience to be of vital importance, especially for a company at the vulnerable stage where Film Ferrania is now. Never have we criticized or questioned the fantastic work they are doing in reviving these products. I am not going to spoon-feed you by repeating here what has been said numerous times. Our criticism has consistently meant to be helpful. We want Film Ferrania to be a success story as much as everybody else. It is particularly disappointing that the Film Ferrania representative either did not see that or simply did not regard our well-meant observations as important enough. That is not the way to begin establishing healthy customer relationships.
"It never ceases to amaze me how" hypocritical and patronising people can be.
Your (plural) 'criticism' is relentless. You have collectively repeated yourselves ad nauseum. Sure the timer was a bit silly, but criticising Ferrania for risking customer relations is totally over reacting. They have started this endeavour under manned and under funded. It's not a Silicon Valley startup with $Billions in venture capitol funding.
You think you know better and terms such as 'spoon feed' show your arrogance and misplaced sense of superiority. You hide behind pseudonyms and moan and complain consistently rehashing the same thing over and over again.
In my work suppliers are frequently missing agreed delivery dates by 48 hours or more. Companies far bigger and less Italian than Ferrania. Sh*t happens.
Yes. Ferrania have made mistakes along the way. Yes the counter was a bit silly but it's just a bit of frivolous marketing. How many people outside of this thread do you think noticed that the counter changed? I'd bet not many. I wouldn't have noticed if people didn't keep banging on about it.
A mistake, sure, an indication that Ferrania don't care about customer relations because they chose not to accept advice from an anonymous bloke on the internet? Really?
My whole point is that those of you that have gotten your knickers in a twist are totally over reacting. You have no entitlement to expect more than they have delivered. You have no right to tell them how they should communicate. And if they were to take advice, why should they listen to you?
It's not like a government spending many millions on a new IT system for the NHS that goes way over budget and way beyond its deadline before eventually being scrapped.
Worst case scenario for Film Ferrania is that some film doesn't get made and some backers don't get a roll.
Perspective.
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