Yes I agree, I'd be happy with something similar to Astia in terms of colour rendition. An high speed reversal would be much appreciated as well though. The most important thing though is the dyes stability over time.
"classic" look sounds good to me, scotchchrome seems to look rather like that if you ask me. We need such a film that gives warmer colours like what Kodak E100SW offered, since there is nothing on the market.I have the perception that the Ferrania palette may veer towards a more Classic look, if it is not as "technically perfect" as Fujichrome.
But I bet more towards a moderate contrast, normal saturation; something like Velvia seems too far off the map.
I don't know if this has been covered yet. Has there been a projection about pricing of the Ferrania films?
Economy of scale is so far on Fuji's side here, that Ferrania (or any other small film maker) won't stand a chance in terms of pricing.
I'm not so sure. If we're talking about reversal film, I think it's the opposite. The whole thing about re-launching Ferrania and re-purposing the LRC (Ferrania's Research&Development facility where the current coater is located) was precisely to be able to have a film factory that operates profitable on a small scale production. Fuji only operates profitably with very very large scale production, and E6 suffers because of this (there's small demand compared to B&W film and C41 film, not to mention compared to the demand of said films before the digital era!)
So, in my view, economies of scale are totally on Ferrania's side!
Sorry, if I disturb your view. That is not true. When Agfa-Gevaert, one of the big players, starts a coating run, guess what length of the stock is unusable. Less than a foot, about ten inches or 25 cm. They can coat short rolls and smaller rolls, no problem. Fuji have smaller machines and pilot coaters, too. The breaking point is purely on paper, in the heads of the planners. The big companies lack entrepreneurship, that fervent urge to make something. The Ferrania people have it, they don’t even really care about scaleability. They cut up base jumbos and coat. Slitters are there, perforators.Fuji's and Kodak's problem is that their machines are too large for today's market.
Agfa-Gevaert
Unfortunatelly they don't make colour film anymore. They made CR200 and CN200 both aviphot material, but on their website one is marked as discontinued and the other as "phase out"...When Agfa-Gevaert, one of the big players, starts a coating run
With their huge and poorly downscalable coating infrastructure, Fuji's and Kodak's cost of making one master roll doesn't much depend on how long a sheet they coat. Therefore Fuji can afford to make as much Provia as they need to fill market demand, and sell extra material as AgfaPhoto CT Precisa at low cost (price difference in the US is much less, but still there). Ferrania will be able to compete (considering price/roll only) with Provia, but not with excess material sold off under different names.So, in my view, economies of scale are totally on Ferrania's side!
Kodak's issue with E6 materials was not whether coaters could be used for different photographic products, but that the result of a single product run didn't last long enough for all the coated material to sell. This, and Kodak's strong dislike for E6 vs. C41 (just read PhotoEngeneer's statements about E6 as example).And their coater can be changed, in day or two, to coat paper.
It all depends on the supply chain, actually. Fuji makes film in Japan only. from there it's shipped to various national Fuji branches. From there it goes to wholesale dealers who buy large quantities. From them it goes to shops, either online or brick and mortar. From there it goes to the consumer. All those people want to make money on it so it becomes more and more expensive along the way.With their huge and poorly downscalable coating infrastructure, Fuji's and Kodak's cost of making one master roll doesn't much depend on how long a sheet they coat. Therefore Fuji can afford to make as much Provia as they need to fill market demand, and sell extra material as AgfaPhoto CT Precisa at low cost (price difference in the US is much less, but still there). Ferrania will be able to compete (considering price/roll only) with Provia, but not with excess material sold off under different names.
I have heard a story from some photographic retailer in a small country neighboring a large country: some maker of photographic products has a local distribution office in the big, neighboring country, but not in the country that particular photographic retailer. The distribution office doesn't create much of value, but claims their hefty markup nonetheless. Retailers in small country can get stuff directly from maker of photographic product, whereas retailers from large country can't. Result: many retailers in large country get their product from retailer in small country rather than from distributor.I managed to stock up on 120 Acros at 4 EUR / piece when I bought a case of it with some friends of mine (100 rolls total) through some guy in Austria. I don't know if he had a markup on it or if he sold it at the price he got it just to help other film shooters, but that film is 5.8 EUR at macodirect and they're one the cheapest retailers in Europe.
Its really unclear what that even means.Unfortunatelly they don't make colour film anymore. They made CR200 and CN200 both aviphot material, but on their website one is marked as discontinued and the other as "phase out"...
Well, sometimes defects are rather large as a percentage of a given coating. You may get only 50% good film out of a given coating run of a given product. It depends on product and varies with coater and company.
And, you cannot change from film to paper and back easily. Paper creates a lot of junk that must be cleaned up from the coater and the air, walls, floor and etc. This is dust that can mess up any film coating on the same machine.
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And, you cannot change from film to paper and back easily. Paper creates a lot of junk that must be cleaned up from the coater and the air, walls, floor and etc. This is dust that can mess up any film coating on the same machine.
PE
I've been surprised that Super 8 is making a comeback.More Super8 as well, who would have thought.
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2017/02/08/adox-announces-construction-new-factory/
http://www.adox.de/Photo/new-factory-building-in-bad-saarow-near-berlin/
Adox building a new coater.
Apologies if posted elsewhere on the site but seems relevant here as the world's film coater count seems to be reversing the decline.
Looks like the garage coater will not be needed.
More Super8 as well, who would have thought.
I think we probably have Super 8 to thank for the return of Ektachrome as well.
If you dig around the ADOX forum there was some interesting insights by Mirko. Essentially, developing a new reversal film wasn't in the works. Possible but uneconomic. Infact they developed an Agfa APX400 replacement (with views of an APX100) but withdrew the effort because of pricing difficulties and the development of an Efke successor, CHSII 100. They have a nice B&W market and like Ilford Harman, colour is a bit out of the scope because of its well discussed (hi PE!) difficulties.+1
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Do you think its possible that Adox may introduce colour films?
I know they produced Color Implosion, but I think this was made for them by Inoviscoat
Not easy but dooable, on my Ilford factory visit the coater was down for the change and they said two maybe three days to change over. That may not have included testing though
If you dig around the ADOX forum there was some interesting insights by Mirko. Essentially, developing a new reversal film wasn't in the works. Possible but uneconomic. Infact they developed an Agfa APX400 replacement (with views of an APX100) but withdrew the effort because of pricing difficulties and the development of an Efke successor, CHSII 100. They have a nice B&W market and like Ilford Harman, colour is a bit out of the scope because of its well discussed (hi PE!) difficulties.
Hence, it really is a feat that the skeleton crew of the LRF could make Colour reversal in the current timeframe. There's the advantage of having a small facility with formulas made on and for it. Much appreciation!
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