Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[ME Super]

We're discussing the english language, don'r go off topic please!

This caused me to have a nice belly laugh. Thanks!

 

[Cholentpot]

I just developed my very last roll of Ferrania. Some expired stuff I found in a pawn shop canned under Exchanged Select 200. I hope I can roll some new stuff into a camera at some point fellas. I had about 5-6 rolls of the stuff and I loved the colors. It also is pretty tough film, I shot the expired rolls at box and it did just fine.

 

[Berri]

more Italian without alienating the 90% of our market who are not Italian.

I don't see why "prodotto in Italia" could possibly alienate anyone, or increase your production cost.

 

[twelvetone12]

But it does say "Made in Italy"

 

[Arctic amateur]

Will the Ferrania P30 come in DX-coded cartridges? That would make it easier to shoot in my Pentax P30T.

 

[afriman]

I don't see why "prodotto in Italia" could possibly alienate anyone, or increase your production cost.

As a non-Italian and a non-mother-tongue speaker of English, I fully agree with this. It's not simply about how many users understand English as opposed to Italian. It's about the identity of the film, its heritage, the country it comes from and the people who make it. For me, that single line or two of Italian will contribute to the "authenticity" of the film as an Italian product, while the English will indicate its positioning as an international product. These things are important - even from a marketing perspective.

 

[flavio81]

Watch the live stream!! With Dave prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

 

[flavio81]

Well i sat for most of the video but not all. Here are some things i picked up from the video.

- Starch is "potato" in FILM Ferrania slang

- grain was remarkably fine, according to Nicola.

- "JUNE-JULY IS THE WINDOW IN WHICH THE COLOR FILM WOULD BE READY"

- They talked about releasing a (color reversal?) development kit. Dave says they can make it.

- No reciprocity data yet for P30 (they need to do tests for this)

- "Please support your local lab"

- If you are a millionarie and you want to invest in Ferrania, call us, "operators are standing by"

PS: If ferrania does not bring 220 format, I propose we will shave Dave's beard. The live chat has spoken !
220 RAH RAH RAH!

 

[Cholentpot]

Well i sat for most of the video but not all. Here are some things i picked up from the video.

- Starch is "potato" in FILM Ferrania slang

- grain was remarkably fine, according to Nicola.

- "JUNE-JULY IS THE WINDOW IN WHICH THE COLOR FILM WOULD BE READY"

- They talked about releasing a (color reversal?) development kit. Dave says they can make it.

- No reciprocity data yet for P30 (they need to do tests for this)

- "Please support your local lab"

- If you are a millionarie and you want to invest in Ferrania, call us, "operators are standing by"

PS: If ferrania does not bring 220 format, I propose we will shave Dave's beard. The live chat has spoken !
220 RAH RAH RAH!

220 is nice and all but I want bulk C-41 in 100 foot rolls.

 

[Diapositivo]

A transcript is IMHO always preferable to a video. Much faster to read than listen, easier to remember, good for people not fluent in English, indexed by search engines, etc.

Thanks Davide Preconcetto for the streaming and the information (but Bias can be a positive concept also: Davide Predilezione, maybe?)

I see that there's a new resource added to the team

Anne Bowerman
Anne has grown her direct marketing experience into social media savvy that few can match. She is a community builder with vast experience in the analog film world and the online voice of FILM Ferrania.

Auguri Anna! Best wishes to everybody!

 

[graciemansion]

Will the Ferrania P30 come in DX-coded cartridges? That would make it easier to shoot in my Pentax P30T.

Seconding this, for my Yashica T4. I'd have asked myself but I was out buying a projector!

 

[Diapositivo]

(frightening music)
PE, you know if you remain in the US you risk being kidnapped by some nasty people and be chained in a barn. That's a serious risk. How can you sleep at night?
(end frightening music, dissolvence to some music suggesting serenity, all is fine, with some hints of glory)
But now, you need not worry any more!
Come to Cairo Montenotte, Italy!

Located half an hour from Genoa, and two hours train from Milan, in the wonderful nature of Liguria, you can spend three, four years of pleasant work in a non-competitive, non-stressing work environment.
While being there, you will learn a new language, you will taste a new cuisine, you will make new friends, and you will see Trump on TV no more than once a day!
You will not be waken up any more at night by those awful barn nightmares!
You will contribute to a mighty task, and inscribe your name in a wall of fame. You'll help making history.

When you go back to your Country, you'll leave behind you a team of young researchers, ["the Ronlets"], and you'll be able to read Dante and Tasso in original language and understand Italian opera without subtitles!

What are you waiting for! Contact Filmferrania To-day!
(some happy music here, with images of sun, seaside, forests, flowers, pizza, whatever).

 

[Berri]

ocated half an hour from Genoa

half an hour from Savona

 

[Prest_400]

Sat through the whole broadcast, flavio puts down some of the basics.

The issue of Human Capital was raised as well, given that in the medium term there will be a need for young Photo Engineers to take over. The overall image now is to proceed piano slowly and one at a time, growing sure.

 

[Nzoomed]

Thanks for the interview Dave!

One question regarding P30, since it was designed as a cinema film, and processed better in D96, how was the original 135 format film processed?
Did this also require D96 to process? I also suspect that the original still version had no remjet layer?

 

[flavio81]

A transcript is IMHO always preferable to a video. Much faster to read than listen, easier to remember, good for people not fluent in English, indexed by search engines, etc.

I had great fun in the live chat! This is more fun than the transcript. I agree of course that the transcript is easier to read.

(frightening music)
PE, you know if you remain in the US you risk being kidnapped by some nasty people and be chained in a barn. That's a serious risk. How can you sleep at night? (...)
What are you waiting for! Contact Filmferrania To-day!

PE, the US is full of people who want to kidnap you and not let you go until you bring Kodachrome back!! Those guys are crazy and dangerous!! It is time to flee the US to a safe place! Italy welcomes you!

Sat through the whole broadcast, flavio puts down some of the basics.

Thanks Prest!! I had great fun using my alias (Flavio is my real name)

Thanks for the interview Dave!

One question regarding P30, since it was designed as a cinema film, and processed better in D96, how was the original 135 format film processed?
Did this also require D96 to process? I also suspect that the original still version had no remjet layer?

Note that all typical (non-special application) B&W films can be developed with any developer for B/W films. So the original P30 could be developed in any typical B&W developer, like D76, Rodinal, ID11, <insert your favorite developer here>, Microphen, Perceptol, <insert your favorite obscure developer>, etc.
Dave has indicated that D96 is rather similar to D76.

 

[Nzoomed]

Note that all typical (non-special application) B&W films can be developed with any developer for B/W films. So the original P30 could be developed in any typical B&W developer, like D76, Rodinal, ID11, <insert your favorite developer here>, Microphen, Perceptol, <insert your favorite obscure developer>, etc.
Dave has indicated that D96 is rather similar to D76.

Yes it seems that way.
I have just watched past the part in the interview where it was discussed about the possibility of using their "correct" chemistry for processing! Very exciting!

 

[Photo Engineer]

D76 is NOT like D96.

And those that think I can re-create Kodachrome are as crazy as loons. I cannot. I can make some pretty good non-specific emulsions and help design a product in color or B&W, but I cannot do what any of you want.

Besides, I'm overweight right now and all of the good food in Italy would really mess me up. I watched Giada DeLaurentis make an Italian Beef Wellington today on TV and I nearly gnawed a finger off waiting to have some food.

Seriously though, I've never been asked anything by Ferrania, and I don't think they even know who I am. I doubt if I could help them.

PE

 

[Nzoomed]

Seriously though, I've never been asked anything by Ferrania, and I don't think they even know who I am. I doubt if I could help them.

PE

It really depends on your field of work i guess! lol
Im sure Dave Bias Knows who you are, but it really depends if they need you or not.

I believe you were involved with (color)negative films at Kodak?

 

[Photo Engineer]

Yes, and emulsions.

 

[ME Super]

While the Mediterranean climate of Northern Italy might improve PE's health (at least there are no lake effect snows there like Rochester and certain parts of New York state get), I can relate a bit to the overweight bit and good food. I live in a house with an AMAZING cook, so my efforts to lose about 15 pounds are for naught.

 

[cmacd123]

I also suspect that the original still version had no remjet layer?

B&W Movie Film NEVER was with the rem jet, no B&W movie processor (unless it was converted from a colour machine) has the spray arms to remove rem jet. ECN, ECN2 and Kodachrome are the ones with rem jet.

(some B&W film like Double-X 7/5222, does have an antistatic layer on the back but that survives processing. Most 120 roll film has a antihalation dye coating but that either dissolves or clears in the Developer.)

 

[flavio81]

D76 is NOT like D96.

And those that think I can re-create Kodachrome are as crazy as loons. I cannot. I can make some pretty good non-specific emulsions and help design a product in color or B&W, but I cannot do what any of you want.

Besides, I'm overweight right now and all of the good food in Italy would really mess me up. I watched Giada DeLaurentis make an Italian Beef Wellington today on TV and I nearly gnawed a finger off waiting to have some food.

Seriously though, I've never been asked anything by Ferrania, and I don't think they even know who I am. I doubt if I could help them.

PE

That's 2017 but perhaps in 2019 you and your wife will be in italy, losing weight by eating light mediterranean food, living in a beautiful place, doing some consultancy work for FF.

Hope you are in good health.

 

[ME Super]

I went back and read flavio81's post again and paid more attention this time. Projected availability of June-July for the color film is awesome news! But if it's not ready until later in the year, I think that's OK too.

Regarding making a color chemistry kit, while this would get Ferrania more revenue, with limited manpower I'd rather they concentrate on getting good quality film in a reasonable quantity ready for our hungry cameras. However, also knowing that with more revenue, they may be able to afford more personnel (and perhaps ability to increase production levels quicker because of that), there's definitely merit to the idea of also selling color chemistry. Perhaps a 6-bath E-6 kit for sale in the US, which at this point IIRC has to be imported from Japan.

Either way, Marco and Nicola are smart business guys, and it seems to me that Dave Bias is Ferrania's equivalent of Simon Galley (I miss that guy!); I trust they will make the right decisions for Ferrania.

I will hopefully have time sometime this week to sit down and watch the whole video; I'm grateful to flavio for making a quick summary available for those of us who are a bit limited on time.

 

[Nzoomed]

B&W Movie Film NEVER was with the rem jet, no B&W movie processor (unless it was converted from a colour machine) has the spray arms to remove rem jet. ECN, ECN2 and Kodachrome are the ones with rem jet.

(some B&W film like Double-X 7/5222, does have an antistatic layer on the back but that survives processing. Most 120 roll film has a antihalation dye coating but that either dissolves or clears in the Developer.)

OK, dont get this, as i thought it was required for motion picture use in cameras with high film speed? In the interview they said it would not be suitable for such use because of the lack of remjet.