Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

DaveTheWalker · Aug 12, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
We have turned a corner...

Really buoyed by this news - well done Ferrania! This is the most exciting project I've been following for years, and it's wonderful to see each hurdle being overcome. Really looking forward to the more frequent updates so we can share in your engineering adventure.

Grazie mille!

Diapositivo · Aug 12, 2016

Regarding Corrado Balestra, his family name means Crossbow, and considering the zone of the former Republic of Genoa he might well be a descendant of one of the Genoese crossbowmen.

Buona mira!
Wish everybody good shot!

Prest_400 · Aug 12, 2016

Great to hear! Especially given that we are in August and things go idle here in the Mediterranean.

Forza!

fdonadio · Aug 12, 2016

Poisson Du Jour said:
In the meantime, you could also try Rollei CR 200 as a substitute for Provia 100F, as I am.

Many thanks for the recommendation. It's next to impossible to find film in Brazil and, when you do, it's either expired, overpriced or, in most cases, both.

So, I always buy from B&H or Freestyle. I don't expect Ferrania to be distributed here, so I'm gonna get it from an European reseller when it becomes available.

Where do you think Rollei will be cheaper: US or Europe?

Cheers,
Flavio

Poisson Du Jour · Aug 12, 2016

fdonadio said:
Many thanks for the recommendation. It's next to impossible to find film in Brazil and, when you do, it's either expired, overpriced or, in most cases, both.

So, I always buy from B&H or Freestyle. I don't expect Ferrania to be distributed here, so I'm gonna get it from an European reseller when it becomes available.

Where do you think Rollei will be cheaper: US or Europe?
Cheers,
Flavio

I did not realise you were in Brazil!
My bet is that the USA will be easier in pricing (e.g. B&H / Freestyle). The Rollei CR 200 is a nice film and noticeably warmer than Provia 100F; which over the other is a matter of personal preference. I might be smitten...

fdonadio · Aug 12, 2016

Poisson Du Jour said:
I did not realise you were in Brazil!
My bet is that the USA will be easier in pricing (e.g. B&H / Freestyle). The Rollei CR 200 is a nice film and noticeably warmer than Provia 100F; which over the other is a matter of personal preference. I might be smitten...

Warmer is good... If it's warm like good old Ektachrome 64, I'm going for it ASAP!

Cheers,
Flavio

TheToadMen · Aug 13, 2016

fdonadio said:
Where do you think Rollei will be cheaper: US or Europe?
Cheers,
Flavio

For prices in Europe, try https://www.macodirect.de/en or https://www.fotoimpex.de/shopen/

RattyMouse · Aug 13, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
We have turned a corner...

Congratulations to the team. I look forward to purchasing a significant volume of your film once available. Efforts like this MUST be rewarded.

fdonadio · Aug 13, 2016

TheToadMen said:
For prices in Europe, try https://www.macodirect.de/en or https://www.fotoimpex.de/shopen/

Thanks!

Rollei films seem to be a lot cheaper in Europe. $12 in the US, €6.5 ($7.25) in Europe.

But I am waaayyy off-topic now.

Cheers,
Flavio

TheToadMen · Aug 13, 2016

fdonadio said:
But I am waaayyy off-topic now.
Cheers,
Flavio

I've been following this thread from the beginning and 89.73% seems to off topic here (while we wait for the Ferrania film production).

Nzoomed · Aug 14, 2016

fdonadio said:
Thanks!

Rollei films seem to be a lot cheaper in Europe. $12 in the US, €6.5 ($7.25) in Europe.

But I am waaayyy off-topic now.

Cheers,
Flavio

If you have trouble getting the rollei stuff, go to wittner-cinetec and order some wittnerchrome 35mm rolls, its the same AGFA stock and i live the results.

Wallendo · Aug 17, 2016

fdonadio said:
Warmer is good... If it's warm like good old Ektachrome 64, I'm going for it ASAP!

Cheers,
Flavio

Try a test roll or two, but before investing heavily, look through this long APUG thread.
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

My experience has been that this film is quite yellow. Not "warm", but outright yellow. Of note, the issues, which are sporadic, appear to affect only the "Rollei" branded version, and not the Wittner version.

ME Super · Aug 17, 2016

I bought some of the Wittner variety of the Rollei film about 3 years ago. Burned through it in about 6 months. It did not suffer from the dreaded Rollei yellows, but you really need to load this film in very subdued lighting (indoors, open shade is not dark enough!).

Shot my son's 8th grade graduation on it. Colors were warm, but not Velvia warm by any stretch. Grays were slightly warm but overall neutral. Flesh tones weren't bad either.

fdonadio · Aug 17, 2016

I shoot mostly 120 format, so the Wittner stuff is not an option, unless I get the Nikon out more often, which I should.

Talking about yellow cast, the lab where I take my E-6 delivered some very greenish-yellow slides from the rolls of Provia I shot last week. They resemble some of the examples posted on that thread.

I'm gonna get me some rolls of CR200 and may the force be with me...

Cheers,
Flavio

flavio81 · Aug 19, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
The plan is to make several very small coating runs with a single layer of emulsion in a single pass.

Oh! So it means that Corrado will start the test with a special limited edition BLACK AND WHITE THIN LAYER film? Sounds like music to my ears...

Go team!!

Regards,
The other Flavio.

cmacd123 · Aug 19, 2016

flavio81 said:
Oh! So it means that Corrado will start the test with a special limited edition BLACK AND WHITE THIN LAYER film? Sounds like music to my ears...
.

and with very funky spectral sensitivity, if they include the sensitising dyes.

Photo Engineer · Aug 19, 2016

flavio81 said:
Oh! So it means that Corrado will start the test with a special limited edition BLACK AND WHITE THIN LAYER film? Sounds like music to my ears...

Go team!!

Regards,
The other Flavio.

That is NOT what he said or meant!

You build any color film one layer or element at a time. Since a reversal film may have as many as 12 or so layers, this is a long and time consuming process.

PE

cmacd123 · Aug 20, 2016

Photo Engineer said:
That is NOT what he said or meant!
You build any color film one layer or element at a time.

indeed - that was what my snarky remark about "funky spectral sensitivity" was all about. somewhere above there was mention of a film with so many layers that it needs two passes to coat. EACH of those layers has to be made and tested separately. with a long enough run that the machine is running stable, and then a sample cut to expose in the lab, give a full E-6 process to, and read on a densitometer. Unlikely to actually be put into a real camera for even a test shot.

one layer might be the "High speed" cyan layer. another run the low speed Magenta and so on.

I don't know if Scotch chrome had a "4th colour layer" like some fuji products, (and probably uncredited in some Kodak products) but those would have to be tested and graphs plotted also.

only after they are sure of what they have mixed up can the try to make a full pass, and again more lab exposures and more readings and graphs.

Photo Engineer · Aug 20, 2016

For many many layers, look at USP644798681.

PE

peter k. · Aug 20, 2016

Photo Engineer said:
For many many layers, look at USP644798681.

PE

Ok.. have no idea where to reference this number.. in order to see all the layers.

Rudeofus · Aug 21, 2016

peter k. said:
Ok.. have no idea where to reference this number.. in order to see all the layers.

PE has a typo in his patent number, the last '8' should have been a 'B', which leads us to this patent. On top of page 14 (labeled 25 and 26) there is a sample structure consisting of 15 photo sensitive layers. Add to that antihalation layers, speed adjusting layers, protective layers and the like, and you end up with a massive stack of layers.

pdeeh · Aug 21, 2016

some folk who seem to think that making film is a straightforward business might do well to read through that patent,even if (like me) they only understand about a hundredth part of it.

Photo Engineer · Aug 21, 2016

Sorry about that. My weak old eyes!

PE

flavio81 · Aug 21, 2016

Photo Engineer said:
That is NOT what he said or meant!

You build any color film one layer or element at a time. Since a reversal film may have as many as 12 or so layers, this is a long and time consuming process.

PE

Yes, i was just joking... Thanks for the patent!

GarageBoy · Aug 23, 2016

I hope this gets here before NYC loses another lab

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