I beg your pardon if the question was already answered in the thread (I had a problem with pointers, and I read today many pages of backlog).
The question is: when the work on the 120 finishing machine is completed and finishing for 120 film is made in-house, will also the backing paper be produced inside Ferrania? Will Ferrania be completely self-sufficient as far as 120 film is concerned?
That's good to know.It is not a lost art...
PE
Rochester is simply too lazy to try it out, they have the tools for 16mm double perforation
Sorry, they only have single perf film in 16mm.
Couldn´t Kodak just laser the numbers onto the backing-paper? Slightly burn the surface with a laser until the lasered parts become dark and make a number? By that chemicals (ink) could be avioded... unless the burning of the backing-paper by laser creates some new chemicals reacting with the emulsion...
Strangely, they make Vision3 500T in 16mm double perf as a finish to order product. So, in theory, they could offer every other emulsion in the same format.
TO Film Ferrania again : Meanwile my sympathy with new emulsions from Ferrania is a little smaler.
TO me it is the time NOW to make it possible to order films.
In the past (month before) I don't wanted to buy films because of much to high shipping costs. Later I noticed there might be quality issues comming from first production run.
BUT MEANWHILE I WOULD NOT CARE ABOUT 1) higher costs 2) less quality
if one could just order the stuff.
I would also not CARE about if I would pay the ordered films imediately and would have to wait 8 weeks until the delivering is finished.
From my oppinium THIS could be the max. tollerance costomers could have !
Perhaps others think in same direction.
But I wonder about that it is not possible :
Your Shop is "under construction/in progress" since month.
????
with regards
I am a mechanician and machinist, have offered them to help set up things, never got an answer. Wrote an E-Mail in Italian as I speak some Italian.
Yes, but Kodak thought they had all of the outsourcing problems licked too - so good luck on this.
PE
We have one person on staff to manage sales (as well as other duties) - and that is me.
Opening and managing the shop is a lot of work because we are very far from having an automated sales system that works exactly as we wish.
I work very fast and efficiently, but there is only so much one person can do in the face of thousands of orders.
The pre-sale of last spring proved to be an overwhelming amount of work for everyone - not just me.
What became crystal clear was that selling film that was not yet manufactured was not sustainable - and we cannot bury ourselves in that process again.
We will re-open our online shop this week, with various limits. We will be posting an update about this shortly.
Regarding the shipping cost:
We heard some grumbling about the costs during our pre-sale - both the film cost and the shipping cost.
There is not much to be done about either thing if we are to remain in business. And if we are to grow, we must try to scrape out some kind of profit.
If our current pricing limits sales to some degree, this is not the worst thing because our supply is so very limited.
Regarding the quality of P30:
The various quality-checks are, in fact, a big reason why our supply is so limited at the moment.
The many thousands of photos posted around the web should be proof enough that defects in the film are, at best, vanishingly rare.
Our new shop spells out the returns policy very clearly, should anyone find a defect.
I understand what you say in this and other posts, but I'm still mystified how 120 and other sizes of roll film, were successfully made over 100 years ago by numerous companies (including small operations) without all the backing paper issues we have now. Perhaps it's a lost art, like Altichrome.
Having a Paillard-Bolex H-8* in service right now (made in 1956) besides a number of other cameras I service year after year, cameras for 9.5mm film, 16mm film, for Double-8 film, I understand that amateur and semi-professional movie making with photochemical film lives on. I know that hundreds, maybe thousands of enthusiasts buy film but would buy more, if stocks were available. A price just shy of 30 Dollars for one Super-8 cartridge, mind you, containing film for 3,600 frames is too high. The 25-ft. Double-8 portion contains 2,000 frames per side or 4,000 on the finished 50-ft. reel. You also have 4,000 frames on a 100-ft. roll of 16mm. There is exactly one true reversal black-and-white film on the market, Fomapan R. Too expensive
The effort installing a combined 16mm-Double 8 perforator might amount to $ 5,000, tooling and surrounding. That money is not lost for a long time. Punches and dies can be resharpened about 20 times which yields 20 million strokes of sharply cut holes. 20,000,000/4,000 = 5,000 hundred footers. Assuming a profit of $ 10 per roll the manufacturer makes $ 50,000. That is for a little less than 2,500 square meters.
I admit that one has a battle of material, may I say, with Double-8. Spool, film, paper or rubber band, can, adhesive tape, printed instruction leaflet, printed box, glue . . . However, instructions and box can be omitted. Long rolls can be sold to finishers and given to photo dealers. Not that anyone ever got rich from processing film but labs are always interested in follow-up business. 16mm is the width to go.
*The owner of the camera is 20 years of age.
Regarding the shipping cost:
We heard some grumbling about the costs during our pre-sale - both the film cost and the shipping cost.
There is not much to be done about either thing if we are to remain in business. And if we are to grow, we must try to scrape out some kind of profit.
If our current pricing limits sales to some degree, this is not the worst thing because our supply is so very limited.
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Do you know what is happening when you burn paper? An incredible number of random chemical reactions. For any given paper and intensity of your Laser all kind of chemicals can be produced there. It is possible that nothing will be made that will interfere with the film. But you may just as well get stuff that will interact with the emulsion. Given Kodaks trouble I'd wager that you don't need much of it.
Of course. The high speed film with 2-row perf. is for high-speed cameras. Here are some camera types that take 2-row perforated film:
- Bolex Auto, models A and B
- Ciné-Nizo
- Schalie-Collée
- Suchánek Admira Ledvinka
- Ciné-Kodak Special due to its unique lateral guidance for Kodacolor
- Bell & Howell Filmo 70-A/B/C models until August 1930, since then not imperatively
- Paillard-Bolex H-16 models until serial number 76,470
- Zeiss-Ikon Movikon 16
- Mitchell 16
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Then business man were payed for to
CREATE A DEMAND TO PRODUCTS.
Perhaps they did not learned how this should work.
Look at Apple : Did you noticed a demand
to tablet - pc's before 2005 ?
It could be so easy if one have just a vision.
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As far a P30 as Movie film. I can see a limited demand in 16mm, just because the only other B&W negative films in 16mm are 5222 at 250ASA, UN54 at 100 ASA and N74 at 400ASA and movie cameras tend to have a 1/50th of a second shutter speed so a slower film is an advantage. An ASA 25-50film would be great.
As much as I would love to see Regular 8 in production, I don't believe that anyone can make a positive print from regular 8, while a very few labs still are set up to make prints from 16mm. Both formats can be scanned.
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Is it me or the Ferrania shop is still closed despite the hype of reopening it by 15th of January?
We will re-open our online shop this week, with various limits. We will be posting an update about this shortly.
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