I think this thread has run its course.
Carestream in Windsor Colorado could make a fine film. They have the facilities and formulas.
PE
Indeed, it should be locked.
Thank you, but i´ve seen quite some jump on the "panic-train" repeating statements like "the money was for color film" or "they got over 1 mio. from the government" or "they produce x-ray-film now" - especially the last one is ridiculous. If they were producing x-ray-film right now, they´d definitely tell us as that would be an update and create them some income which would be good for the future of color film!
But the panik-train-rides don´t think about that and just repeat - which by the way, dear panic-train-riders, is how Trump got president. By spreading panik, anger, distrust and by telling lies - and now there´s an atomic war in sight, well done!
Do we really want this also to happen to this thread, to our beloved hobby?
I don´t.
Exactly my point. They can coat any formula that anyone has including multilayer reversal film from Ferrania if they are asked.
PE
But how many test runs would even Ferrania need to modify an old 3M formula to work on a Kodak Machine. the lab coater that they are making the P30 on was at least designed to have some sort of scaling factors with the 3M production coaters. all the parameters that can be adjusted would need to be to make any 3M era formula at a Kodak plant, (or on a former AGFA machine, or even at Foma or Ilford. (who actually have another clone of an Agfa Machine as far as I know)
75% of the Kickstarter funding was supposed to be used for "Purchase and removal of Trixie, Walter and Big Boy".
Trixie was the machine to produce triacetate base. Walter is the equipment for making the coating and Big Boy is the actual coater.
The P30 was as I understand made on Little Boy, which is the lab scale coating machine that was available already from the beginning. They also seem to use triacetate base that also was available in storage. The capacity of these machines are stated to be 3000 rolls per week. Thus, if they had been running continuously, they would have been making around 80,000 rolls in half a year. By selling those, the revenue would have been double the Kickstarter funding.
So, this raises a few questions: Since they are not using any of thes machines they raised money for, are they even operational? Why are they not producing and selling P30 as they said they would?
......The issue regarding P30 is that our finishing partner is limited to around 1000 rolls per week, so coating 3000 rolls per week is pointless.
We have been working VERY hard on this issue over the past couple of months and we have not yet found a viable alternative.......
Regardless of the discussions and that it seems to be an emotional subject, I would like to return to what we know and what we do not know.
From reading the available information on the Film Ferrania site, I conclude the following (as close to facts as it gets):
1. The P30 alpha was made on the R&D coater (Little Boy). The film base was triacetate that they had in store and slit into mini jumbos. The chemistry was mixed in very small batches and they eventually retrieved an 30 liter tank from storage (it is not clear if this was ever used in production). According to David Bias, all the equipment that was purchased for the Kickstarter money is still in storage and they do not have the funding to install it.
2. The conclusion from the above is that Film Ferrania run out of money and they need to find new financing to continue their efforts. The critical question: How difficult is it to find a financer who see an upside in this project. Unless they do, it would be game over, right?
3. They claim to have a capacity of 3,000 rolls per week in the current setup and they claim(ed) to be in production. Thus they should have produced around 80,000 rolls after finishing the shipments from the first orders. We have not seen any of those or had any information of new problems
4. According to the Italian article, Film Ferrania is now doing R&D and production of film to detect nuclear radiation. I think it is reasonable to believe this is true, since who would make something like that up?
5. There has been no news on the website since Aug 2017
Now an opinion: There is something going on that they are not fully transparent about
Dave, thanks for the update. You mention the film needs to be “finished’ after it’s coated and that your finishing partner is the bottleneck. What exactly is “finishing?”
Jim B.
We asked... Maybe you have some additional advice? If so, DM or email me!!
So let me just give Dave a virtual pat on the back:
Thanks for your time and your clear and honest communication. You have essentially an impossible job, but even so you are doing well.
Firstly thanks Dave for continuing to come here to post! It is always interesting to hear your side of things despite the vitriol and and bizarre discussions that seem fake news going on. Which, BTW, are the main reason why I proposed to EOL this thread.
I'm curious about Carestream (which BTW their site is https://www.tollcoating.com/, I wonder the "toll" to pay!), wasn't it part of Kodak? What was the relationship between Ferrania and Kodak? I know Ferrania made Xray for big K, and sometime in the early 2000s they actually sold the whole division to them. But it seems their relationship was more complex (sorry, I'm curious, I'm a historian and scholar of the XVII century and I just can't help it)
I wouldn't give much weight to that article or any other article about this whole thing. Even if ferrania was actually producing a specialty film for scientific research that alone would be something I'd be proud of. It would also mean that they have a customer who could guarantee a steady income.It is impressive how a half-baked badly-written article in italian was able to spur such wild speculation about secret side-projects that Ferrania might have.
I think that´s great to hear that your services are wanted! (My advice: Do some x-ray film and start to roll in cash!If we were making x-ray film, we'd be rolling in cash... I can't tell you how many emails we've received from China asking for x-ray products...
I wouldn't give much weight to that article or any other article about this whole thing. Even if ferrania was actually producing a specialty film for scientific research that alone would be something I'd be proud of. It would also mean that they have a customer who could guarantee a steady income.
If you don't like it, just don't look at it.
The films is readily available in Italy. Many films stores carry it. Why the Ferrania Shop is still closed?
What films?The films is readily available in Italy. Many films stores carry it. Why the Ferrania Shop is still closed?
The films is readily available in Italy. Many films stores carry it.
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