Will P30 ever get released as a non alpha film? If so when? At this rate colour reversal will be released in a couple of centuries. Ferrania was supposed to be the one leading the rebirth of colour reversal film and I even believed it for a while.
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Another request for an update on the update that was talked about, now 3 weeks ago.
I guess it is online but they forgot to send the notification? 
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Since he obviously had enough time to quote my post here on this forum, I wonder why he didn't have the few seconds to copy paste that post into an email and send it to the correct guys.
I assume he knows the right contacts and engineers to forward it to...
Why do I have to do it again and send the email to some generic address that I assume is already very overloaded as is?
Keep in mind that I do NOT want anything from Dave (beside maybe a thank you), I tried to be helpful and deliver on my earlier promise to share my results with him.
I do NOT want to get any benefits or replacement films, I am honestly disappointed with all three films I bought from Ferrania and do not want any more of them!
But here you are, as promised my report and sample image - you can use it if you want.
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I'm sure they will look at your results. Don't walk away from this so angry. Be happy that you were a part of P30 development, which will lead to development of colour reversal.
I guess it is online but they forgot to send the notification?
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Thank you very much. Very helpful.
photrio.com is a profit-making business. You are expecting Dave Bias to do his company's customer service work on a for-profit website belonging to somebody else, while the proper way to contact him directly has been posted many times by him and others. I wonder why you didn't have the few seconds to copy paste that post into an email and send it to the correct guy.
Gotta love how always, no matter whatever Ferrania does, it is defended by almost everyone here and if one single person dares to say anything remotely negative he's slammed by others.
I was stupid enough to offer free help, just because I am a good person and thought it might be useful to him, expecting at least an "OK" or "thank you" or anything remotely nice.
"This is our email" is a very rude reply of his to someone who tried to help him for free.
I work in verifcation and validation of very complex systems for years now professionally and if any single customer of mine came by and just offered me some nice help for free without shouting at me or wanting anything at all in return for it, I would kiss his feet in a second. Maybe his small report is what I still needed to fix a problem.
I don't understand how anyone can even still wonder why I am annoyed by what happened, but whatever.
You, sir, are the very definition of "entitled twat".
I came back here hoping that the change to Photrio might have resulted in admin doing something about things...but clearly I had my hopes up too high. To PE and the other people on here who actually know what they are doing and are not stuck up their own bottoms....good luck and keep up the good work.
Here ends my final post ever on this forum. It's simply not enjoyable in any way any more.
Thank you. I do very much appreciate your efforts.
I'm sorry to hear that you're disappointed with our film. But it's perfectly understandable that P30 ALPHA won't appeal to everyone.
The email address I posted is not a "generic address." It's the primary address of the 4 @filmferrania.it inboxes I personally monitor and answer. And yes, with all I have to do, I have not been able to spend significant time on APUG recently, so an email would have been helpful.
The other reason I asked you to email me was so that I could perhaps collect some more details, and also request more and higher resolution images so that the factory team can properly examine them. Copying and pasting your post (well, two different posts) was just not optimal.
Maybe one day we'll make a film you like. Or not. Just keep shooting film!
Thank you Dave! This was a very nice reply. I will email you higher res samples once I am back from work again.
See guys, that's all it takes, no need to call me names, let's be nice and polite to each other and it will all work out perfectly fine.
Dear Dave!
As promised earlier today, I just emailed you a description of what probems exactly I saw on my films plus sample frames.
I added the same scratched shot as posted earlier in this forum but now in much higher resolution, it was shot rated at ISO 20.
And I also included a second sample shot which was rated at ISO 80 instead to demonstrate what massive underexposure ISO 80 gave me.
Hope this helps you.
As promised earlier today, I just emailed you a description of what probems exactly I saw on my films plus sample frames.
I added the same scratched shot as posted earlier in this forum but now in much higher resolution, it was shot rated at ISO 20.
And I also included a second sample shot which was rated at ISO 80 instead to demonstrate what massive underexposure ISO 80 gave me.
Hope this helps you.
I hope Ferrania will not decide to ditch the color film entirely to concentrate on BW as various are encouraging them to do!
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Even though I'm a backer. I've become much less bothered about ever seeing Ferrania slide film at all, particularly if it has to go through all the Alpha stages. It's one thing for customers to test and experiment with a B&W film, which it only costs pence in chemicals to process, but E6 is a fixed process and not cheap whether at home or at a lab. I wouldn't want to buy and pay for processing of "Alpha" E6 films which could be disappointing, while I can still buy quality from from Fuji, and, hopefully Kodak before too long.
Maybe specialist types and sizes of B&W should now be the route for Ferrania ?
Well I backed Ferrania because I was seeing color film go away (and my much beloved e100 already did), and I don't see that trend reversing today. Fuji just discontinued Superia 200, Ektachrome seems already delayed to 2018 (or ever if they change their minds).
What is the added value that a BW only Ferrania can bring to the current market? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are various manufacturers that can do toll and or specialist things (Adox was very kind to cut 1/4 plate sheet film for me, for example). Color, on the other hand, depends on the good will of just two manufacturers, one of which gives signals of wanting to pull the plug very often.
EDIT: to clarify, I don't want Ferrania to to stop making BW, it is just sad if they decide to give up color, as that is something that will never come back once it is gone.
What is the added value that a BW only Ferrania can bring to the current market? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are various manufacturers that can do toll and or specialist things (Adox was very kind to cut 1/4 plate sheet film for me, for example). Color, on the other hand, depends on the good will of just two manufacturers, one of which gives signals of wanting to pull the plug very often.
EDIT: to clarify, I don't want Ferrania to to stop making BW, it is just sad if they decide to give up color, as that is something that will never come back once it is gone.
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I see your point.....on the other hand I fear that there is a continuing trend for slide film to become more-and-more of a niche market, and this was obviously a contribution in part to Fuji and Kodak discontinuing products......which then rebounds in decreasing demand further. I also now fear that should the worse happen, Fuji pull the plug and Ektachrome not appear. then Ferrania takes another five years to produce an E6 film, and then only in an Alpha form, any remaining interest will have dwindled to insignificance, remaining E6 labs will have closed, and then that they're just too late getting back into color.
Another repulsive "grand exit" post. Goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Umm, we didn't say anything about abandoning color film. We sort of said the opposite.
"Everything we do, every day, is to move our company forward and, in the process, fulfill our original promise to Backers."
It's even in bold...
"Everything we do, every day, is to move our company forward and, in the process, fulfill our original promise to Backers."
It's even in bold...
Not Ferrania, but the commenters! I'm just checking in to make sure you did not listen to them 
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E6 processing is a very standardised, fixed procedure. It's not like B&W where one has a myriad combinations of times, temperatures, chemistry, agitations, choice of densities.
E6 processing is performed only in one way, and the more one sticks to the procedure, the better the results.
It's conceivable Ferrania would release Alpha films for the first batches, when some productive issues can still arise. But the testing will only involve standard E6 processing. E6 is more complicated, but it's also simpler, because there are no choices to make (apart from the everlasting question on weather to preasoak with water or not).
E6 processing is a very standardised, fixed procedure. It's not like B&W where one has a myriad combinations of times, temperatures, chemistry, agitations, choice of densities.
E6 processing is performed only in one way, and the more one sticks to the procedure, the better the results.
It's conceivable Ferrania would release Alpha films for the first batches, when some productive issues can still arise. But the testing will only involve standard E6 processing. E6 is more complicated, but it's also simpler, because there are no choices to make (apart from the everlasting question on weather to preasoak with water or not).
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I agree with what you say. My concern is that the Ferraniachrome should work correctly with the standard E6 processing and produce quality consistent results from the first batches. No one is going to be happy if the correct process produces colour casts or speed issues (or scratches/emulsion marks).
And my point about B&W is, as you say, there is scope and interest in testing the myriad combinations for no more than the cost of a few cents of chemicals and your time. The cost of standard E6 processing for just one film is significant whether at home or lab, and is wasted if the film is less than perfect.
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There is also the question of blix vs bleach and fix, and use of formalin or not.
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The "official" process has the two separate does it not? and the formalin bath was phased out officially some time ago I believe.
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