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Everytime I hear one of these, reveals, happening among Ilford, Kodak, Fuji or the new Polaroids projects, I default to the memory of all the hype, a years worth, IIRC, about "the Thing" and how it was going to change the World, etc.

While it is a nice self balancing, electric two wheeler, the hype was far too much for many of us, so let's hope this Ilford announcement is a real, and 'Pleasant' surprise for photographers, shooting traditional Ilford B&W products, and we can all afford it!
 

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Regarding polyester vs. acetate, in the reel-to-reel tape world the switch to "Mylar" was made, I think, in the early 60s. I collect LOTS of tapes from that era and the poly tapes are fine but many of those acetate tapes have become brittle and, worse, some have acquired a vinegar aroma which means their days are numbered. Prior to the acetate the recording media was coated on paper and I have several hundred of those which are still just fine.
 

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Mr McAdam posted that two weeks ago. Pity none of us saw that then - or is it, I wonder? It mightn't have made much difference to the course of the thread.

It probably would not have made a difference. I’m still firmly convinced that the big new product is a Porta-Loo to go with the Porta-Darkroom. Why else would the reveal party feature a pub crawl?
 

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Photographer Marcus Mcadam based in Skye (Scotland) posted a picture of his 35mm film camera stating it contains a new film from Harman he’d been sent a couple of rolls to test.

‘As you can see, I’m getting ready to shoot a few environmental portraits of a gamekeeper, to see how it handles the tones and textures of the scene’.

He covers film / analog photography in the ‘photography show‘ on youtube, but has been around long enough to remember when film was photography.

I just found his post and for the benefit of all here is the full text

"Inside this camera is a brand new film from Harman Photo (the makers of Ilford films). It offers something different to all their existing films. It's due to be launched soon (probably before end of the year) but they have kindly sent me a couple of rolls to test out in the meantime.

As you can see I'm getting ready to shoot a few environmental portraits of a gamekeeper, to see how it handles the tones and textures of the scene.

If you want to guess what you think this new film might be, please comment. I can't deny or confirm any suggestions but it'll be fun to see what you think".

One comment is "Ilford Color" and his reply is "An interesting thought".

In response to a Tri-X equivalent he points out that one could argue HP5 already is a Tri-X equivalent. When asked about a highly saturated, fine grain, ISO50 slide film he says "you should suggest that to Fuji".

This would appear to confirm, if there were any remaining doubt, that the new product is a film.
 

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He has a very impressive photographic background. As a landscape guy it also suggests that a tungsten-balanced film is unlikely.
 

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Regarding polyester vs. acetate, in the reel-to-reel tape world the switch to "Mylar" was made, I think, in the early 60s. I collect LOTS of tapes from that era and the poly tapes are fine but many of those acetate tapes have become brittle and, worse, some have acquired a vinegar aroma which means their days are numbered. Prior to the acetate the recording media was coated on paper and I have several hundred of those which are still just fine.

In addition to modest temperature and humidity and a dark area, the key to storing acetate film is archival and breathable storage. Acid-free archival paper is probably best. Celluloid and acetate films are often stored by people and organizations in closed storage like metal cans or tight plastic sleeves, etc. This traps the acids, which accelerates the aging. You want a low "acid-trapping factor". For example, acid-free archival paper envelopes for film negatives or photographic prints are available from a number of specialist suppliers, which can then be stored in acid-free archival paper boxes. Similar acid-free archival paper storage systems for slides are also available.
 
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It probably would not have made a difference. I’m still firmly convinced that the big new product is a Porta-Loo to go with the Porta-Darkroom. Why else would the reveal party feature a pub crawl?

Yes, yes! But that's not all - a new film you can develop, stop, fix and wash in pee at normal body temperature. No faffing around out in the field. Photoflo nappies (diapers to you)?
 

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In addition to modest temperature and humidity and a dark area, the key to storing acetate film is archival and breathable storage. Acid-free archival paper is probably best. Celluloid and acetate films are often stored by people and organizations in closed storage like metal cans or tight plastic sleeves, etc. This traps the acids, which accelerates the aging.
kodak has long recomened "

Kodak Molecular Sieve Acid Scavenger (120 x 12.5g Packets)
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see https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1481451-REG/kodak_8597684_molecular_sieve_120.html
 

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I suppose it is easier to store photography negatives, transparencies, slides, and prints in the archival paper than thousands of meters of motion picture film. Although, it would also be fairly easy to make archival paper boxes that could could fit the cores or reels of motion picture film. I wonder how the motion picture film would fare in the archival paper storage compared to sealed up in metal and plastic with the "molecular sieve acid scavenger". Sealing them goes against most good archiving advice, and regardless of how good the "molecular sieve acid scavenger" might be, it will still have a limited life and usefulness. It looks like Kodak recommends replacement every two years at ambient temperatures, and longer intervals for ideal controlled storage conditions.

https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/molecular-sieve-acid-scavenger

It seems easier, more natural, and more likely to be maintained long-term to use the breathable acid-free archival paper storage. Especially for photography films and prints, for which there are many existing options in these materials.
 

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That would legit be amazing. And pretty doable for a company like Harman. But alas very unlikely. Cosmic really.

I would get rid of flashbulbs about every 10 years usually about 5 gallons at a time. Finally don't get them anymore. Well not in the last year 🙃
 

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I would get rid of flashbulbs about every 10 years usually about 5 gallons at a time. Finally don't get them anymore. Well not in the last year 🙃

Get rid of them? Are you mad? It’s a finite resource! They will never be made again, and they do a few things electro-flash don’t.
Send them to me next time. I’ll pay shipping and a little extra for your trouble.
That goes for anyone BTW.
 

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Most indoor / household LED is still balanced sort of similarly to tungsten. I say 'sort of', because there are differences if you look at the spectral distribution even if the color temperature is still in the high 2000's to low 3000s generally. Notably, LED tends to have a bulge in the blue part of its spectrum around 450nm and then a dip that only recovers once you get in the green part, while an incandescent bulb has a much more gradual rise up towards the red part of the spectrum. This means that there will be differences between the same exposure made on tungsten film illuminated with a 2700K LED vs. a 2700K tungsten bulb. However, in both cases, a tungsten-balanced film will overall give a better result than a daylight balanced film under those conditions.

Very interesting, thanks
 

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I have a full-time flashbulb broker. Damn things are a fire hazard. Not like cellphone batteries, but still.

Not if stored properly. It takes quite a high charge of static or a lot of heat to set one off.

Of course if they are touching directly they will cascade. Which is a nice way to get a lot of light in a small package over a few milliseconds.
 

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Very interesting, thanks

There is almost no near IR in LED lights either.
Where there is a lot in incandescent.
Which can be a problem if you count on shooting inside with stuff like Aviphot 200. Then you are not using the full of the films sensitivity.
 
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