Thanks Alan. Later Gainer used a method using glycerine with metol and ascorbic acid at high temperatures, but different concentration than me, mixing a portion of that with propylene glycol/catechin(sp?). He called that MC-glycerol and suggested using that alone. This was an effort to improve the reliability of pyrocat-MC. I just came across that today.Interesting experiment. Gainer did not seem to investigate the use of metol ascorbic acid TEA developer either for some reason.
The Gainer Method: To achieve solubility, a slurry of metol, a small amount of water, and TEA is mixed first. The TEA acts as a base to neutralize the sulfuric acid component of the metol sulfate, converting it into a form (likely p-methylaminophenol base) that is highly soluble in the organic solvent propylene glycol
This would greatly surprise me. I did quite some testing back when I had an interest in Gainer's vitamin C developers and was searching for something that gave fine grain and optimal speed on higher-speed films like Foma 400. I used the phenidone version, but there's no reason to expect the metol version is somehow superior (the opposite, I'd expect). Turns out that the Gainer soup performed very clearly the worst in all regards.with fine grain
If you want something you can fairly easily make yourself, gives full emulsion speed and fine grain, try one of the DIY Xtol clones.
Thanks for that information. I'm very aware of your developer. It uses phenidone not metol, so is not what I am working on now. I don't care about film speed and don't want finer grain than I get now with Gainers Original with metol. I appologize to Patrick Gainer if that sounds commercial. I prefer the acutance of non solvent developers at higher ph. I would lean more towards PC- glycol to use different accelerators for different uses. I also am using Gainers Original for print paper and other uses as well. My criticism of it would be that it needs more acutance and therefore grain. I like seeing a little grain in 35mm 11x14 prints. It says "I'm not digital" to the world. And also, "look how sharp I am". Metol gives better acutance than phenidone, and that's what wets my whistle.I think you'll find that my PC-512 Borax does that, and it's directly in this line of Gainer-derived developers. I also did not get fine grain and/or box speed from any of Gainer's developers, but I think PC-512 Borax is a pretty good balance of full box speed, no fogging, and fine-ish grain.
I think you'll find that my PC-512 Borax does that
maybe the OP's interest is more in conducting an experiment with glycerol
They're really not the same, although there's something of a relationship.My criticism of it would be that it needs more acutance and therefore grain.
I agree but it maybe the OP's interest is more in conducting an experiment with glycerol. I seem to recall that Gainer also found that borax would dissolve in glycerol but never pursued this to make a one shot concentrate.
Been there, done that, the prints were flat compared to proprietary developer containing hydroquinone.my first thought would be...rodinal.
What film? I don't really recognize this to be honest.the prints were flat
Good points!
Having said that...
They're really not the same, although there's something of a relationship.
Going by what you describe, my first thought would be...rodinal.
My present project is using Gainers "Original" MC developer that was published in 1994.
When testing the wet formula, I was close to box speed, likely half a stop below.How close do you think you are getting to the films box speed?
Yes, very similar to Propylene Glycol in that regard. The small volume of air above the fluid shoudn't be a problem. Of course the storage bottle needs to have a lid.AI:
Absorbs from Air: If left exposed, glycerol will absorb enough water from the air to become diluted, potentially reaching an 80% glycerol/20% water composition.
Better to keep in a sealed container.
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