Film really is superior

[Mark Feldstein]

Also couldn't agree more....when I'm travelling in the morning on the London Underground, opposite me are all these geeky people wearing earphones, transfixed by their i-phone and Kindle screens, like so many robots.....Sometimes I feel like the only humanoid on the train, my ancient Nokia firmly in my pocket.

Sounds to me like there's an excellent photographic essay in there someplace ( done with analog equipment of course)
Mark

 

[Alan Gales]

Sounds to me like there's an excellent photographic essay in there someplace ( done with analog equipment of course)
Mark

I think you are onto something there, Mark. Shoot them with some gritty high speed b&w 35mm film!

 

[markbarendt]

Anyone read their "newspapers" on their iphone?

Actually, yes. And it delivers the news faster, and easier, and cheaper, and allows me to respond, and allows me to share it with others instantly almost regardless of where they are in the world.

The iPhone, iPad (and all their cousins) along with the Internet have and continue to fundamentally change the way "the world" works; including how news, banking services, mail, & happy snaps are going to be delivered, forever. Like steam and electricity also did.

Digital stuff isn't garbage, its just different.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

Actually, yes. And it delivers the news faster, and easier, and cheaper, and allows me to respond, and allows me to share it with others instantly almost regardless of where they are in the world.

... and those are some of the reasons digital capture has taken over consumer photography. In these areas film is NOT superior to the consumer and has been replaced by digital.

However, film IS superior IMHO in the area of archival keeping.

Saying "Film really is superior" is just 'one hand clapping'; you must specify the area(s) you are talking about for it to have real meaning.

 

[clayne]

I think it's assumed here we're all talking about "art" or serious photography - and not crap consumer photography driven by speed of delivery.

 

[markbarendt]

... and those are some of the reasons digital capture has taken over consumer photography. In these areas film is NOT superior to the consumer and has been replaced by digital.

However, film IS superior IMHO in the area of archival keeping.

Saying "Film really is superior" is just 'one hand clapping'; you must specify the area(s) you are talking about for it to have real meaning.

I agree.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

I think it's assumed here we're all talking about "art" or serious photography - and not crap consumer photography driven by speed of delivery.

You may think it's 'crap', but for years it 'paid the film manufacturing bills'.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

... and those are some of the reasons digital capture has taken over consumer photography. In these areas film is NOT superior to the consumer and has been replaced by digital.

However, film IS superior IMHO in the area of archival keeping.

Saying "Film really is superior" is just 'one hand clapping'; you must specify the area(s) you are talking about for it to have real meaning.

Very true.

 

[markbarendt]

I think it's assumed here we're all talking about "art" or serious photography - and not crap consumer photography driven by speed of delivery.

What's the point of the venom?

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

It never ends...

 

[sepiareverb]

Anyone read their "newspapers" on their iphone? Is there something more inhuman then that? The noise of the newspaper, the feel in hand, the obligatory posture, the smell! The swears while trying to find an article, the sheet that won't stay steady, the folding, the pitching it on the table. Reading the news? Quite a secondary experience next to the senses' overload of what a physical newspaper brings as a whole experience. iPhone? Meh.

I love the NY Times on the iPad. References as live links to other stories, the ability to save articles for future reading or reference, plus all garbgeographs look vastly better on the screen than on newsprint.

As to having my attention removed by the screen, I see plenty of people engrossed in a book, or newspaper or word search puzzle. To each his own.

I think it's assumed here we're all talking about "art" or serious photography - and not crap consumer photography driven by speed of delivery.

Hmmm. Quite the fine line to draw.

Snapshot or Art?

 

[Alan Gales]

I think it's assumed here we're all talking about "art" or serious photography - and not crap consumer photography driven by speed of delivery.

I'm not sure what you mean.

I own 8x10, 4x5 and medium format film cameras for "art" or at least what I call art. I used my DSLR for my daughter's sports including select, high school and college fastpitch softball (she is no longer pitching now), family snapshots and my Ebay auctions. I wouldn't call my digital work art but some of the memories I have recorded are very important to me and my family.

Sure, I could have shot some of the digital work using film but you just can't beat a DSLR like my Nikon D300 for sports. Film and digital both have their place.

 

[NB23]

Actually, yes. And it delivers the news faster, and easier, and cheaper, and allows me to respond, and allows me to share it with others instantly almost regardless of where they are in the world.

Like I said, most of my fun while reading the news is not about the (lousy, brainwashing) news but the experience of holding the newspaper with a fine Cappuccino. If you're about "fast news delivery and sharing no matter where you are in the world", then you and your iphone are in heaven. I'm not into that. Life, to me, is about something else. More about fine Cappuccinos then about news and fast delivery of dirty propaganda of all sorts.

The iPhone, iPad (and all their cousins) along with the Internet have and continue to fundamentally change the way "the world" works; including how news, banking services, mail, & happy snaps are going to be delivered, forever. Like steam and electricity also did.

I thoroughly do not enjoy that. The modern living has made our lives more difficult then what it used to be, despite the promise of a brave new world. You can buy Bananas in Canada while you couldn't 15 years ago? So what. That's not my definition of life improvement. You share photos faster? I'm glad for you. As far as I'm concerned, I thoroughly don't enjoy that. Sharing my pics on a social network is the best way to kill my work. So many hours spent shooting, developing, printing, toning, washing. All that hard work to end up on flickr to try and please a bunch of newbies that have absolutely no clue? to "please" is too big a word. You please nobody on social newtorks until you lick their butt as a "follower" and then expect a "return favor" in form of them "liking" your work. LOL!

Digital stuff isn't garbage, its just different.

To me, it's mostly garbage.

 

[markbarendt]

Enjoy your coffee and your paper NB23.

 

[Roger Cole]

I'm reading the forum on my iPhone which is hard to do with a newspaper but OTOH my dog is getting annoying and I haven't figured out how to roll up my iPhone as a deterrent yet.

 

[lxdude]

And you can't potty train your dog on an iPhone, either.

 

[Truzi]

And you can't potty train your dog on an iPhone, either.

True, but I'd try with a Samsung

 

[lxdude]

Make sure it's not plugged into the charger!

 

[Arctic amateur]

I think it's assumed here we're all talking about "art" or serious photography - and not crap consumer photography driven by speed of delivery.

…except for those who talk about old family photos stored in shoeboxes in the attc.

 

[Mark Feldstein]

. . . The modern living has made our lives more difficult then what it used to be, despite the promise of a brave new world. You can buy Bananas in Canada while you couldn't 15 years ago? So what. That's not my definition of life improvement. You share photos faster? I'm glad for you. As far as I'm concerned, I thoroughly don't enjoy that. Sharing my pics on a social network is the best way to kill my work. So many hours spent shooting, developing, printing, toning, washing. All that hard work to end up on flickr to try and please a bunch of newbies that have absolutely no clue? to "please" is too big a word. You please nobody on social newtorks until you lick their butt as a "follower" and then expect a "return favor" in form of them "liking" your work. LOL!

To me, it's mostly garbage.

YEAH !!!! YOU TELL'EM NB !!!!

Mark
[I like bananas but not electronic ones]

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

Talk about digressing... How did it end up here?

 

[Bigdaddyg]

Even if digital longevity storage wasn't an issue, I still couldn't overcome the whole digital process: digging into folders, open windows/folders, browsing through the thumbnails, naming/renaming files. WTF???

I'm sorry but they aren't photographs and that isn't photography. It's Fileographs and Fileography. Drives me insane.

Anyone read their "newspapers" on their iphone? Is there something more inhuman then that? The noise of the newspaper, the feel in hand, the obligatory posture, the smell! The swears while trying to find an article, the sheet that won't stay steady, the folding, the pitching it on the table. Reading the news? Quite a secondary experience next to the senses' overload of what a physical newspaper brings as a whole experience. iPhone? Meh.

File-O-Graphy. Garbage-O-graphy. All the same. Has nothing to do with real photography, even if storage wasn't an issue.

I bet those shooting daguerrotypes said that about glass plate photography too. Just kidding couldnt resist

 

[Chris Lange]

The world got over Dylan plugging in an amp, too.

 

[removed account4]

its too bad people can't do what they want
without someone giving them crap for it.

this thread reminds me of the emails i received
when i began making photograms on the now
obsolete AZO paper ..

too many haters

 

[Alan Gales]

The world got over Dylan plugging in an amp, too.

Yeah, even Pete Seeger got over it.