Hi Ken,
For that kind of attitude, I'd like to send you a selfmade postcard as an extra reward (if you PM me your address).
Bert from Holland
For some reason there continues to be a general misunderstanding of this point.
I'm in at the $140 level. How much film I may receive as a one-time "reward" is irrelevant to me, although I will certainly be excited to play with it. Ultimately, however, when I clicked on Submit I knew full well that my $140 was at high risk. I clicked anyway.
Why?
Because I don't have a mothballed film factory at my disposal. I don't have a town full of ex-employees with the skill sets to run that factory. I don't have either the business or technical skills to do much with them even if I did. And sooner than later here I also won't have any remaining E-6 film at all. And I can't make it myself in a basement. Or a barn.
But others do have those things at their disposal. So I clicked. It's the ONLY thing I can personally do. Begging KA to place an E-6 order with EK is not an option. Nor is begging Fuji to stop discontinuing.
But handing our Italian friends $140 and asking them to do the best they can with it IS an option. No unrealistic starry-eyed expectations here. I will likely never see a reintroduction of commercial E-6 film again. Color film itself may well go entirely extinct. And my $140 with it.
But there is also a non-trivial chance they might be able to pull it off.
That is the nature of risk/reward. You puts yer money on da' table, and da' man spins da' wheel. Sometimes you win. Most times you don't. It's pretty simple, really.
Just don't put down more than you can afford to lose...
Ken
Kodak's accounts show legacy sales declining (ie inkjet and film) are we really sure film is not in steep decline?
Kodak's accounts show legacy sales declining (ie inkjet and film) are we really sure film is not in steep decline?
Kodak and Fuji are winnowing selection but I can still buy 120 plusx on Sundays, BW400CN is in pharmacy 100m away(110 yards), Fotokemia died, Ferranni stopped...
C41 labs disappearing...
Am I on planet B?
...Worldwide, while film sales might not be declining, E6 sure isn't the reason...
I can't speak to anyone else's certitude, but my post did say might not be declining....are we really sure film is not in steep decline?...
Hi Ken,
For that kind of attitude, I'd like to send you a selfmade postcard as an extra reward (if you PM me your address).
Bert from Holland
So $35 for two rolls of film as part of this Kickstarter. Just how much per roll can they sell this and perhaps other films later? Better be much cheaper, like 60% or more cheaper I'd think. I question the business model that can work and make money.
Planet X...
I'll try again. Kodak no longer speaks for the future of the photographic film industry. By their own strategic choice, they remain in the film business only as a still declining legacy from their past. Their new primary lines of business have nothing whatsoever to do with photographic film.
Looking only at Kodak's financial statements as a valid indicator of the current state of the photographic film industry is a mistake.
Ken
Planet X...
I'll try again. Kodak no longer speaks for the future of the photographic film industry. By their own strategic choice, they remain in the film business only as a still declining legacy from their past. Their new primary lines of business have nothing whatsoever to do with photographic film.
Meanwhile, people like me are working away using Kodak products that are among the best films ever made, knowing full well that a final outlay of funds at any discontinuation of a product could be thousands.
All good, no issues, life goes on...
Meanwhile, people like me are working away using Kodak products that are among the best films ever made, knowing full well that a final outlay of funds at any discontinuation of a product could be thousands.
All good, no issues, life goes on...
I can't see the relevance of this to Ferrania starting (or not starting, if unsuccessful) the production of E6 film. Oddly enough, some people still like E6 transparencies, Kodak no longer supply their needs, and they haven't made, or couldn't afford, an outlay of thousands to stock their freezers. No Kodak E6 leaves one manufacturer, Fuji, and two films, one of which is the rather querky Velvia. Not the most secure situation, we only need another natural disaster in Japan, or a simple business decision by Fuji, and that's it. No one is forced to contribute to the Kickstart programme if they'd rather spend their money on Kodak products, but don't knock those of us who have put in our few $$$. The same few $$$ (or the $250,000 total) won't make or break what's left of Kodak.
Incorrect. You've left out 100TMX, 400TMY-2, 320TXP and 400TX, all black and white films.
Just musing on this, but I wonder if Kodachrome in master roll format stored better than E6 film would.
As many of the colour components were added to Kodachrome at the time of development, rather than at the time of film manufacture, it wouldn't surprise me.
But the biggie folks....no matter what the industry topic originated as, picking apart and dissecting Kodak and now Kodak Alaris seems to be a favorite pastime of a subset group of Apuggers and seems to be served up as Internet dessert after every industry meal, so to speak.
It's alright though eh, I spend *far* less time on this site because of that so you won't need to endure more than this post.
It's alright though eh, I spend *far* less time on this site because of that so you won't need to endure more than this post.
Granny Clampett in one episode of the Beverly Hillbillies was convinced that she could change the outcome of the Civil War...
But the biggie folks....no matter what the industry topic originated as, picking apart and dissecting Kodak and now Kodak Alaris seems to be a favorite pastime of a subset group of Apuggers and seems to be served up as Internet dessert after every industry meal, so to speak.
It's alright though eh, I spend *far* less time on this site because of that so you won't need to endure more than this post.
At least we tried? Tried what? This isn't a resurrection of some beloved old process. Kodak discontinued e-6 only 18 months or so ago. Mostly because few were buying any...
Kodak slide film is still available in about 3-4 stores here in Shanghai at the camera mall. Nearly 2 years after being shut down, still there is stock. Kodak slide film does not seem very popular at all.
Accept that you might never change their stance. Granny Clampett in one episode of the Beverly Hillbillies was convinced that she could change the outcome of the Civil War on a Hollywood set and plied the actors portraying Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E Lee with her moonshine while they discussed the situation of the war. The next morning when they re-appeared on the set the one portraying Grant said he had had some real hangovers in the past but after Granny's moonshine even his hair hurt
This episode was about 1967 but the scene has stuck with me and still makes me smile. If you were a fan of the series I hope this helped make you smile as well.
We are all a long time dead
pentaxuser
Really?
It is china after all i guess, but its rare as hens teeth on Ebay now, crikey ill buy some from china if its cheap enough and well stored...
I find it interesting that, not so very long ago, Ferrania films were rarely mentioned by anyone on photography forums; it was almost as if their very mention was taboo. The few times they were brought up, it was usually in a somewhat negative light, or generated negative comments concerning quality. How times have changed! I realize that Film Ferrania is not Ferrania Technologies of old, but they are resurrecting the old films from the old recipes. Now, with Kodak and Fuji discontinuing emulsions on what seems to be an almost daily basis, we are looking to Ferrania to be the savior of analog color film. Who would have predicted this just a few years ago? I honestly don't mean this to be a snarky comment, only that it really is amazing how quickly and unpredictably the dynamics in the film photography business have changed.
I find it interesting that, not so very long ago, Ferrania films were rarely mentioned by anyone on photography forums; it was almost as if their very mention was taboo. The few times they were brought up, it was usually in a somewhat negative light, or generated negative comments concerning quality. How times have changed! I realize that Film Ferrania is not Ferrania Technologies of old, but they are resurrecting the old films from the old recipes. Now, with Kodak and Fuji discontinuing emulsions on what seems to be an almost daily basis, we are looking to Ferrania to be the savior of analog color film. Who would have predicted this just a few years ago? I honestly don't mean this to be a snarky comment, only that it really is amazing how quickly and unpredictably the dynamics in the film photography business have changed.
I find it interesting that, not so very long ago, Ferrania films were rarely mentioned by anyone on photography forums; it was almost as if their very mention was taboo. The few times they were brought up, it was usually in a somewhat negative light, or generated negative comments concerning quality. How times have changed! I realize that Film Ferrania is not Ferrania Technologies of old, but they are resurrecting the old films from the old recipes. Now, with Kodak and Fuji discontinuing emulsions on what seems to be an almost daily basis, we are looking to Ferrania to be the savior of analog color film. Who would have predicted this just a few years ago? I honestly don't mean this to be a snarky comment, only that it really is amazing how quickly and unpredictably the dynamics in the film photography business have changed.
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