A fact of which I'm well aware. Of what relevance is it to my post that you quoted?
OK, they're not competing with digital for your purchases. But they are for the purchases of most other people in the known universe.
A fact of which I'm well aware. Of what relevance is it to my post that you quoted?You are logged into APUG not DPUG...
A fact of which I'm well aware. Of what relevance is it to my post that you quoted?
Do you think Ferrania will be better than Kodak Gold or Fujifilm consumer color films?
I can buy those all day for less than $4 a roll. Less than $3 a roll most days.
I shoot film for fun and though I do use Portra and Ektar and the Fujifilm Pro series, I don't see that they are worth 2 or 3 times the price of the consumer versions.
If you tell Ferrania that you will tolerate $15 film that's where they will START.
And if you want to keep people shooting film and hope to bring new people in you'd better be smart about the price.
You can pay $15 if you wish but I won't.
Do you think Ferrania will be better than Kodak Gold or Fujifilm consumer color films?
I can buy those all day for less than $4 a roll. Less than $3 a roll most days.
I shoot film for fun and though I do use Portra and Ektar and the Fujifilm Pro series, I don't see that they are worth 2 or 3 times the price of the consumer versions.
If you tell Ferrania that you will tolerate $15 film that's where they will START.
And if you want to keep people shooting film and hope to bring new people in you'd better be smart about the price.
You can pay $15 if you wish but I won't.
Ive also asked them in the survey if they are able to produce a slide film that can be developed in regular C41 chemistry, if such a thing is possible it will mean that it will make it possible to process in any c41 lab.
If they can pull that off it would be awesome!
You need to replace your 'all day' by 'this year'.
If you don't 'pay the piper' you likely won't have any colour next year, apart from forward buying you do now. You are lucky that the It tax payer is funding so far.
Don't worry about me I use mono already.
It may be like the last days of Kchrome unless you can home process and forward buy E6 kits. Cause infra structure will fold with Fuji and Kodak.
Or they may not make it to market at all.
No commercial org listens to web gossip.
Ive also asked them in the survey if they are able to produce a slide film that can be developed in regular C41 chemistry, if such a thing is possible it will mean that it will make it possible to process in any c41 lab.
If they can pull that off it would be awesome!
It exists, and is called ECN process. This is what the motion picture industry uses (at least the stuff still shot and printed on to film).
You shoot a negative material, that is designed to be printed onto another negative material, to create a positive transparency for projection. The original negative is lower in contrast than C41 negatives, and its colour response is matched to the projection material, rather than to printing paper.
The two stage process actually has greater potential for colour accuracy than E6 or C41.
It exists, and is called ECN process. This is what the motion picture industry uses (at least the stuff still shot and printed on to film).
You shoot a negative material, that is designed to be printed onto another negative material, to create a positive transparency for projection. The original negative is lower in contrast than C41 negatives, and its colour response is matched to the projection material, rather than to printing paper.
The two stage process actually has greater potential for colour accuracy than E6 or C41.
No Socrates, they didn't. But they didn't say they'd produce a C41 film either. That didn't stop you from comparing their potential E6 offering to the price of consumer Kodak Gold. Stepping up the speed two stops is more likely than a completely different type of film. And you also said you wouldn't pay even ten dollars and only "maybe" six for E6. Well you can't get E6 for six bucks now, and barely for ten.
Bottom line for me is that if a new 100 speed E6 film comes to market anywhere between zero and fifteen dollars a roll I will try it then use more or not based on its merits, not its price.
As to your comment on price, I'd like it to be cheaper but $15/roll isn't too terrible. I'm paying around $10-11 a roll now for E6. Of course if they're more expensive than Fuji, it needs to be a higher quality film than Fuji's offerings, and lemme tell ya, that's gonna be a hard act to follow.
Yes that does exist, but i was referring to a positive film that can be processed in C41 chemistry without the crazy hues you get when cross processing E6 in C41, i dont know what obstacles there would be to achieve this, as obviously you would have to work within the limits of the chemistry. We know that you can still process E6 in C41 and get colour, so the couplers are obviously developing, the key is to make couplers in a film that behave like they are processed in E6 chemicals, when in fact its C41. But im no chemist, i dont know what differences there is in negative film compared to positive. i guess PE will know more about this. No doubt it would have already been done if possible.
Actually they did say they were going to produce a C41 film. There's only one 100-speed C41 emulsion currently manufactured by the big two - Kodak Ektar 100. Adox has the Color Implosion film (a 100-speed, very experimental, very grainy film by Adox's own description), but other than that there are no 100 speed C41 films being manufactured. Film Ferrania said in their very first news post on their site: "We think it is better to start revamping the very last produced emulsions. The first two that we will make are a color negative film derived from Ferrania Solaris FG-100 Plus (only for still photographs) and a professional color reversal film derived from Scotch Chrome 100."
As to your comment on price, I'd like it to be cheaper but $15/roll isn't too terrible. I'm paying around $10-11 a roll now for E6. Of course if they're more expensive than Fuji, it needs to be a higher quality film than Fuji's offerings, and lemme tell ya, that's gonna be a hard act to follow.
Did Ferrania say they will produce an iso 400 slide film?
If you produce a new color negative emulsion, people will only look at grain and speed, and maybe talk about accurate colors, but that's very different with color slide film. I really miss Fuji Astia, and if Ferrania comes out with a film with similar color palette, I won't ask questions about grain, and would happily accept ISO 50 if it must be that way.But expecting Ferrania to initially give us better E-6 than Fuji, and/or at a lower price point, and possibly in a gazillion formats, and a new color negative film right away as well, might be asking for the impossible.
Better than? How about even close to "as good as?"..expecting Ferrania to initially give us better E-6 than Fuji...
Oh dear, let's hope it's better than what's come out of The Impossible Project....asking for the impossible...
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