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All very true....I liked the look of Kodachrome, yet, scientifically, there were recognised deficiencies in the dye sets. To me the colours looked accurate and as I remembered scenes, others liked a brighter look to their pictures (one friend said that Kodachrome was "too accurate"!). All down to preferences, maybe individual colour vision or perception also plays a part. Just sad that we no longer have the variety of films to suit everyone's choices,

I only liked Kchrome 25 the 64 was different, but the best we can hope for is Ferrani do a nice Ferrari red.

The good news is I saw a film cine cam in street last Sunday - super 8. The owner wanted to know where he could buy a film...

The advice - 400m along that street, probably only mono though, - not seen another substandard in use in years.
 

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Donno what the open on Sunday Spitalfields shop stocks.
 

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I got an e-mail from them today about this.

It is a survey they want me to fill out, (I did).

"Hello everyone!

We want to take this opportunity to thank all of you who have visited our site over the last year and signed up for this newsletter. Your support and encouragement has been nothing short of amazing.

Now is the time to get to know you a little better - so we've added a quick and easy survey to our website. It takes just a couple of minutes to complete. (If you've already completed it - thanks!)

Click the big red button below and tell us what you think!

We have a major announcement coming in just a few weeks. Between now and then, we are going to be sharing a ton of images and stories from Ferrania's incredible history on our website and social media accounts. For example, do you recognize the person in the photo above? He is none other than Orson Welles in “La Ricotta” by Pier Paolo Pasolini - shot on the legendary Ferrania P30 black & white film. This is just one of many amazing images from our archives! Make sure to follow us on social media to see many many more!

Yours,
The FILM Ferrania Crew

P.S. Due to some limitations in our email software, you will get a message saying you've been added to a second list. This is only so we can collect your responses and we will make sure to remove any duplicate names in our database."


Hope this means they are really getting ready to be active.


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Im just hoping they will give us samples of the new film to test!
 

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I hope I can get it locally, or at least order it online from the big two photo houses in NYC. I'll order from Europe if I have to, though.
 

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This. Distribution will be key to success. That's no small obstruction.

I totally agree, and actually, part of the survey should have been about what location you were from so if they had a good idea of where their main interest base was for distribution.
 

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Alaris is a pretty good distributor.

just sayin' ...

Yeah, but they're not a film company. If you remember the interview with what's-his-name right after it was born the statement was that they would support film as long as it made sense.

Clearly it's "not making sense" faster than most film buffs expected, although if you could be a fly on the wall in their boardroom I suspect they're looking for ways to accelerate it.
 

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Yeah, but they're not a film company. If you remember the interview with what's-his-name right after it was born the statement was that they would support film as long as it made sense.

Clearly it's "not making sense" faster than most film buffs expected, although if you could be a fly on the wall in their boardroom I suspect they're looking for ways to accelerate it.

Huh?

The only thing clear from KA about what makes sense about film is that 400CN no longer does - and I think we all knew that already anyway.
 

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Actually I would think distribution would be somewhat easy. In the US for example, they could give Freestyle a call, I'm guessing that Europe,Australia, NZ, etc. has similar distributors. Setting up an Amazon/Ebay store is another possible idea.

There are ways to distribute, especially with the film addicts here on APUG (myself included). I hope it happens soon, the anticipation is intense.
 

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There seems to be some confusion in earlier posts in this thread on color accuracy of slides vs. color negatives and the function of the mask in color negatives.

The dyes used in both slides and color negatives have impurities which degrade colors. These impurities are not that noticable if the dyes are used once, in other words viewed directly.

But if an optical print is made from either, then the dyes are used twice (since the print material has dyes with impurities as well) and the problem compounds. Now the impurities are very noticable unless they are somehow corrected.

If we can remove the impurities from either stage, then reasonably good color results in the print. In a negative, we mask the impurities (which are collectively orange in color) with a positive mask (also orange in color), effectively canceling the impurities and a good print results after the orange is filtered out.

With a slide, we can't do this and thus a print from a slide that is not masked in any way will have degraded colors compared to a print from a masked negative, as well as having high contrast.

In publications, when slides are used, masks can be, and usually are made to correct impurities and lower contrast, and used at the printing stage which is why good color can result. This could also be done when optically printing slides.

In scanners, any color errors in the scanning system (comparable to the dye impurities in print material) is likely taken care of in the software which is why slides can be reproduced faithfully. If one has a problem scanning color negatives, then the problem is in the scanning system or its setup, not with the negative, assuming it was exposed and processed correctly.

At the lab I work at, we used to scan negative film before we went all digital and the scanners, which were Kodak scanners and setup by Kodak, could give beautiful results. But different films, having different dyes and masks, required different setups or channels for each, to give the most accurate results.
 
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Actually I would think distribution would be somewhat easy. In the US for example, they could give Freestyle a call, I'm guessing that Europe,Australia, NZ, etc. has similar distributors. Setting up an Amazon/Ebay store is another possible idea.

Heh. There's actually a US federal career cluster (the government's way of putting similar jobs together for workforce development purposes) called "Transportation, Distribution, and Logistics." There's actually 16 such clusters. I may be an IT guy but we're applying IT to workforce development.

There are ways to distribute, especially with the film addicts here on APUG (myself included). I hope it happens soon, the anticipation is intense.

This. Looking forward to getting my hands on some Ferraniachrome. +1!
 

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There seems to be some confusion in earlier posts in this thread on color accuracy of slides vs. color negatives and the function of the mask in color negatives.

The dyes used in both slides and color negatives have impurities which degrade colors. These impurities are not that noticable if the dyes are used once, in other words viewed directly.

But if an optical print is made from either, then the dyes are used twice (since the print material has dyes with impurities as well) and the problem compounds. Now the impurities are very noticable unless they are somehow corrected.

If we can remove the impurities from either stage, then reasonably good color results in the print. In a negative, we mask the impurities (which are collectively orange in color) with a positive mask (also orange in color), effectively canceling the impurities and a good print results after the orange is filtered out.

With a slide, we can't do this and thus a print from a slide that is not masked in any way will have degraded colors compared to a print from a masked negative, as well as having high contrast.

In publications, when slides are used, masks can be, and usually are made to correct impurities and lower contrast, and used at the printing stage which is why good color can result. This could also be done when optically printing slides.

In scanners, any color errors in the scanning system (comparable to the dye impurities in print material) is likely taken care of in the software which is why slides can be reproduced faithfully. If one has a problem scanning color negatives, then the problem is in the scanning system or its setup, not with the negative, assuming it was exposed and processed correctly.

At the lab I work at, we used to scan negative film before we went all digital and the scanners, which were Kodak scanners and setup by Kodak, could give beautiful results. But different films, having different dyes and masks, required different setups or channels for each, to give the most accurate results.

THIS makes sense!
 

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Alaris is a pretty good distributor.

just sayin' ...

Not sure if you've been keeping up with the threads lately but there are multiple threads about kodak films being completely unavailable all over the place, all through china and Europe especially Tri-X apparently.

so I don't think Alaris are good distributors at all...

"Just sayin'l
 

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Not sure if you've been keeping up with the threads lately but there are multiple threads about kodak films being completely unavailable all over the place, all through china and Europe especially Tri-X apparently.

so I don't think Alaris are good distributors at all...

"Just sayin'l

Blame the supplier. Alaris can't distribute what they can't obtain.

My suspicion is that Kodak has stopped production of most films and are just running out the stores. EK's 2015 MP commitment is almost met.

Alaris will have to find other sources if they want to keep selling film. Paper should be around for a while. Not everything is dry lab yet.

Ferrania seems to be in a hurry to get ramped up by 2015. Coincidence?
 

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My local retail sources tell me that when it comes to films, they have no trouble getting their orders for Kodak film filled promptly. The situation has definitely improved. Where they grumble relates to the prices they are having to pay to their suppliers, who are distibutors, not KA.
 

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Blame the supplier. Alaris can't distribute what they can't obtain.

My suspicion is that Kodak has stopped production of most films and are just running out the stores. EK's 2015 MP commitment is almost met.

Alaris will have to find other sources if they want to keep selling film. Paper should be around for a while. Not everything is dry lab yet.

Ferrania seems to be in a hurry to get ramped up by 2015. Coincidence?


Follow Kodak Alaris on Linkedin. You'll see exactly how much of a future they think there is in film sales.
 

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My suspicion is that Kodak has stopped production of most films and are just running out the stores. EK's 2015 MP commitment is almost met.

In July, several studios agreed to continue buying MP camera film, due to influential directors demanding it. The agreements are expected to be completed by the end of September.
 

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Im just hoping they will give us samples of the new film to test!

I second that! Maybe similar to what Impossible does by selling test films....but maybe not exactly close to the same price as non test films
 

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Follow Kodak Alaris on Linkedin. You'll see exactly how much of a future they think there is in film sales.

Ok. Done. And I also sent connection requests to a few folks, including the one single person at Kodak Alaris who's profile picture has a camera in it. Happens to be a Leica, so it's even a film camera.
 

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Where they grumble relates to the prices they are having to pay to their suppliers, who are distibutors, not KA.
This is 2014, and I really wonder why there have to be so many layers of distribution between Kodak and their film's users. Kodak, KA, then some unnamed distributor, then the retailer you talked to ... four layers for less product per year than what B&H sends out every week.

Ferrania could save a lot by either directly selling their film from their web page, or at least by directly distributing their film to a choice of retailers.
 
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