Film Ferrania p30

[faberryman]

The only answer I have to your last question is; "All of them."

Why the big secret?

 

[FILM Ferrania]

I respectfully disagree on this one. It is not just some sort of nerd thing, but having full documentation and specifications of one product IMHO helps understand and use it better. I understand that the priority is elsewhere now, but I still think comprehensive documentation it is an important companion to the product itself, in particular for something like p30 that variates a lot depending on the developer.

And as I've said in one thread or another, when we have the bandwidth (staff and resources) to produce full scientific documentation on our films, we will. As I've also said before, as it stands today, only a tiny fraction of a percent of our customers actually care about such documentation.

The vast majority just send the film to a lab. Of those who process themselves, most follow our Best Practices to one degree or another - or extrapolate from the given info. Many have been eager to experiment and share their results with us.

Until we can launch our internal lab, we will continue to test as best we can with those eager to help, and update the Best Practices accordingly.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

Why the big secret?

It's not a big secret. It's just not anyone's business but ours.

If you want to get sales figures from all of the other film manufacturers and brands and post them here, that would be awesome knowledge to have. I certainly did a fair amount of digging myself a couple of years ago and came up mostly empty-handed, or with data that was years old.

But if you can manage to collect that data, I'll most certainly take the time to calculate the exact number of films we sold (and gave away, and supplied to Kickstarter Backers in exchange for their original reward).

 

[faberryman]

It's not a big secret. It's just not anyone's business but ours.

ROTFL

 

[fdonadio]

ROTFL

As much as I would love to know how much film Ferrania sold, I have to admit that they are not, in any way, obligated to disclose that information.

 

[pbromaghin]

Dave, I just saw today that you posted one of my photos on the P30 Page. This blind squirrel who was able to find a nut is very honored.

 

[twelvetone12]

Why the big secret?

I'm with FILM Ferrania on this one. I'm super curious too (and from Dave's posts you can make up an estimate), but they have no obligation to share such internal business data.
Regarding the datasheets, I suggest a "don't use rodinal!" line!

 

[Scott Micciche]

There have been some good results using Rodinal stand and semi-stand. One in particular I want to try this weekend. The results from this person gave a very cinema-like quality that I liked quite a bit. I have not seen results that appeal to me in the 1:25 or 1:50 ratios, however.

 

[faberryman]

As much as I would love to know how much film Ferrania sold, I have to admit that they are not, in any way, obligated to disclose that information.

You'd think that if it was an impressive number, they would want to let their backers know how well they are doing. Their secrecy, however, leads me to believe that their success was quite modest, and they want to keep that information from their backers for fear of loss of support.

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks for the reply on the cat, Scott

pentaxuser

 

[fdonadio]

You'd think that if it was an impressive number, they would want to let their backers know how well they are doing. Their secrecy, however, leads me to believe that their success was quite modest, and they want to keep that information from their backers for fear of loss of support.

Maybe. Maybe not. I couldn’t care less, really.

 

[Scott Micciche]

Here are the results form the Adox Rodinal Semi-Stand technique.

1:100, 68F, 1 minute initial agitation followed by an inversion at 15, 30 and 45 minutes. Water stop bath, TF-4 fix 5 minutes. I sat the tank in a bowl of 68F water as it is winter and my house is cold. The final temp after 1 hour was 67F, so there was not much of a drop.

The workflow: I let these dry in a cabinet overnight, scan them on a Pakon F135 to raw/planar, convert using colorperfect, no other modifications.

Some of these images are similar to my TMAX roll. I returned to Capitol park at the same time, same lighting conditions and camera (Nikon F6/Nikkor 85mm f/2).

The rest are here on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/thekurgan/albums/72157667363512069

 

[RattyMouse]

Here are the results form the Adox Rodinal Semi-Stand technique.

1:100, 68F, 1 minute initial agitation followed by an inversion at 15, 30 and 45 minutes. Water stop bath, TF-4 fix 5 minutes. I sat the tank in a bowl of 68F water as it is winter and my house is cold. The final temp after 1 hour was 67F, so there was not much of a drop.

The workflow: I let these dry in a cabinet overnight, scan them on a Pakon F135 to raw/planar, convert using colorperfect, no other modifications.

Some of these images are similar to my TMAX roll. I returned to Capitol park at the same time, same lighting conditions and camera (Nikon F6/Nikkor 85mm f/2).

The rest are here on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/thekurgan/albums/72157667363512069

That German Shepard shot is just gorgeous. What camera took that?

 

[Scott Micciche]

That German Shepard shot is just gorgeous. What camera took that?

Wow, folks see these posts fast!

She is my Cookie Monster. I took all of these shots with the Nikon F6 and Nikkor's 85mm f/2 lens. Spot metering was used for all images and the zone system was adhered too.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Best results yet, I'd say.

 

[RattyMouse]

Wow, folks see these posts fast!

She is my Cookie Monster. I took all of these shots with the Nikon F6 and Nikkor's 85mm f/2 lens. Spot metering was used for all images and the zone system was adhered too.

Ohhh, I have that lens. I'll have to take it out more often. Havent used it in years.

I see you have the GF670 too. That's my favorite camera.

 

[Scott Micciche]

I'm glad people like the images. They are as flat as can be when scanned as raw. I will admit I was skeptical for fear of speed loss using Rodinal highly diluted, but the 15m inversion helped it seems. There is quite a contrast from TMAX's milky grays, as opposed to the classic Rodinal grays. I like both and will be printing some perhaps this weekend. I exclusively use colorperfect's inversion software as it has the nearest approximation of a real print.

 

[Scott Micciche]

Ohhh, I have that lens. I'll have to take it out more often. Havent used it in years.

I see you have the GF670 too. That's my favorite camera.

You should! It's a phenomenal, yet compact, 85mm lens! The GF670, once I adjusted the rangefinder, is my favorite travel companion shot in 6x6. I agree there!

 

[RattyMouse]

You should! It's a phenomenal, yet compact, 85mm lens! The GF670, once I adjusted the rangefinder, is my favorite travel companion shot in 6x6. I agree there!

Funny enough, I've NEVER shot in 6 x 6 format wither with my GF670 or my GF670W!

 

[Scott Micciche]

Funny enough, I've NEVER shot in 6 x 6 format wither with my GF670 or my GF670W!

My little omega b22 will only do 6x6 so unless I'm just scanning, I shoot 6x6. It is a great camera!

 

[jack straw]

"cinema-quality."

Seeing this adjective fills me with an irrational desire to buy this product, or find some other product that fits this description. Yet I am not even sure what it means...is this essentially just a marketing term, or are there specific characterics you look for? Are there any black and white films on the market which are not sold to the motion picture industry, yet exhibit "cinema-quality"? Apologies if this was addressed earlier in the thread, but it is very long.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

Back when film speed was measured to the ASA/DIN standard a special developer was required. The current ISO standard allows the manufacturer to choose the developer. However I seriously doubt that Ferrania is interested in stand or semi stand development for determining the speed of P30.

 

[Scott Micciche]

Back when film speed was measured to the ASA/DIN standard a special developer was required. The current ISO standard allows the manufacturer to choose the developer. However I seriously doubt that Ferrania is interested in stand or semi stand development for determining the speed of P30.

I understand the speed has already been determined; this is just a different technique, like many others here on the forum.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

Seeing this adjective fills me with an irrational desire to buy this product, or find some other product that fits this description. Yet I am not even sure what it means...is this essentially just a marketing term, or are there specific characterics you look for? Are there any black and white films on the market which are not sold to the motion picture industry, yet exhibit "cinema-quality"? Apologies if this was addressed earlier in the thread, but it is very long.

Please define 'cinema-quality'. To me the term is merely another of those annoying photographic myths. Back when B&W was the prevailing medium the 'look' depending on several things such as lighting. It had little or nothing to do with the film used.

 

[btaylor]

Beg to differ, slightly. The film itself had plenty to do with it; it was the cinematographer's dance with the film stock, lighting and lab that made those unforgettable images for us. But that's off the subject. When I get a chance to shoot P30 I hope I have the chops to shoot it like Gianni di Venanzo. "Cinema quality!"