Film Ferrania p30

[Jeff L]

I received mine about 2 weeks ago. Looking forward to trying it. I'll start where Ferrania recommend and have some D76 to mix up when it's time. Normally I would use HC110.

 

[Chris Livsey]

I'm still waiting for my 5 rolls.... sigh.... I ordered around noon the day they took pre-orders. Wondering how early you guys got your order in?

Mine received, was ordered on the 1st day but after the collapse of the servers and discussions on that here, not sure on time.
On distribution my box came postmarked Mahn Hamburg from Maco Photoproducts address. (I am UK)

 

[Agulliver]

Guys....nobody "ordered" anything. It was all pre-orders as explained very carefully and fully.

Really....really struggling to understand why so many people "don't get it"

I'm actually done with APUG over this.

Bye everyone. It was kind of nice and there are real experts here but this place is way too full of negative, entitled types and the powers that be do nothing to curtail their behaviour.

 

[Ces1um]

Guys....nobody "ordered" anything. It was all pre-orders as explained very carefully and fully.

Really....really struggling to understand why so many people "don't get it"
I'm actually done with APUG over this.
Bye everyone. It was kind of nice and there are real experts here but this place is way too full of negative, entitled types and the powers that be do nothing to curtail their behaviour.

As the op of this thread I feel somewhat responsible for Agulliver's exit from the forum. Going back to my original post however my point was I was concerned that my *pre-order* had not actually gone through and been recorded as their site had crashed shortly after I placed it. I don't feel this brands me as a "negative, entitled type". I feel this is a legitimate concern. The fact that four months have gone by and others have received their film has further strengthened my concern. That prompted my second post simply asking those who have received their film about what time of day they placed their orders. Again, I don't feel that I'm being "entitled and negative". Agulliver, you're entitled to your opinion but perhaps you should come back to apug after a cooling off period and re-read the original intent of this thread with fresh eyes.

 

[Chris Livsey]

I apologise for actually posting images to this thread

This is a bracket on P30alpha batch 17.001
Nikon F6 set at 80 iso, these are the brackets in 1/3rd stop so: -2.0,-1.3,-0.7 then +0.7,+1.3 and +2 stops
They run all at f5.6 from 500th down to 30th, 125th was "correct" speed and is not in the bracket and I thought was about half a stop under to my eye, I may have fooled the meter with that bit of sky I had no hand held meter with me.
Developer was Pyrocat HD 15mins Semi stand 1:1:100 with pre-soak 70F scan on V850
Lens was Nikkor 50mm f1.2 Ai

 

[Scott Micciche]

I've also used HC-110, Solution B, however, for 5 minutes with 2 inversions every 30 seconds.

Nikon F2 | 50/105mm | 80 ISO | Pakon F135

 

[pbromaghin]

Guys....nobody "ordered" anything. It was all pre-orders as explained very carefully and fully.

Really....really struggling to understand why so many people "don't get it"

I'm actually done with APUG over this.

Bye everyone. It was kind of nice and there are real experts here but this place is way too full of negative, entitled types and the powers that be do nothing to curtail their behaviour.

Quitting over the semantics of "order" vs "pre-order"?

Good God.

 

[Ces1um]

I've also used HC-110, Solution B, however, for 5 minutes with 2 inversions every 30 seconds.

Nikon F2 | 50/105mm | 80 ISO | Pakon F135

that second photo really "pops". Very distinct edges to both the children. Can't remember the proper term, attenuance? Very pleasing result!

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

that second photo really "pops". Very distinct edges to both the children. Can't remember the proper term, attenuance? Very pleasing result!

I think mostly what you perceive as 'edge effect' (or 'acutance' or 'microcontrast') is a result of the lighting.

 

[Scott Micciche]

that second photo really "pops". Very distinct edges to both the children. Can't remember the proper term, attenuance? Very pleasing result!

Thank you. The scans have a default level of lightroom sharpening 25/1.0/25/0 and while these are in my flickr library, if I download a small size for this site, I'm not sure if flickr applies any magic. I am happy with most of the roll. It was really nice shooting and developing the P30.

 

[jimjm]

Developer was Pyrocat HD 15mins Semi stand 1:1:100 with pre-soak 70F scan on V850

Chris - Have you noticed any difference with fixing times for P30? I just did a clip test with my first roll using KodaFix @ 1+3 (relatively fresh), and it cleared in less than a minute. This seems to be about twice as fast as most other films.

 

[Chris Livsey]

Chris - Have you noticed any difference with fixing times for P30? I just did a clip test with my first roll using KodaFix @ 1+3 (relatively fresh), and it cleared in less than a minute. This seems to be about twice as fast as most other films.

No I haven't looked at that, I will now on my next roll.
Not something I look at until towards the end of my fixer shelf life. I run 5L for 60 rolls or three months with slight time increase after 20 then 40 rolls unless it gets too spotty before then some films shed more than others.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

Quitting over the semantics of "order" vs "pre-order"?

Good God.

Agreed!

Despite our best efforts, those three letters and dash before the word "order" have proven to be a very difficult obstacle to overcome. We have a number of quite angry people who feel that they are owed something even though they haven't actually paid for it.

We have an equal number of people who just go on Facebook or Twitter (or APUG) and moan very loudly they they don't have "their" film yet, even though that film is not technically "theirs" until a) we make it (perhaps the most critical point), and b) we charge their card for it (also important in terms of claiming ownership).

This is not to say that we do not feel an obligation to everyone who placed a pre-order. We most certainly do feel this obligation - quite acutely - and our primary focus is getting this film out the door and into people's hands as fast as possible.

We've tried to communicate the caveats we face all along the way. Many people have taken the time to read these posts and those folks remain patient and enormously encouraging.

But the majority just don't care about our esoteric and relatively unfathomable startup issues and are more than happy to vent their frustration publicly - a phenomenon that try as I might, I just cannot understand... Especially when the answers to their questions, or the solution to their frustrations, sits in their pocket alongside the very apps they use for their public venting...

Oh - and thanks so much to whoever started up this thread!!! I will try to drop in from time to time.

To Chris Livsey and Scott Micciche - we totally love the work you've been sharing with us and elsewhere online. Kudos and props from all of us at FILM Ferrania.

 

[trendland]

As the op of this thread I feel somewhat responsible for Agulliver's exit from the forum. Going back to my original post however my point was I was concerned that my *pre-order* had not actually gone through and been recorded as their site had crashed shortly after I placed it. I don't feel this brands me as a "negative, entitled type". I feel this is a legitimate concern. The fact that four months have gone by and others have received their film has further strengthened my concern. That prompted my second post simply asking those who have received their film about what time of day they placed their orders. Again, I don't feel that I'm being "entitled and negative". Agulliver, you're entitled to your opinion but perhaps you should come back to apug after a cooling off period and re-read the original intent of this thread with fresh eyes.

Nobody should feel responcible to a free decisions of other people Ces1 um !
(Lession I / first degree in the Studies of
applied psychology)

But to criticize this emulsion is sometimes not in concern to P30.
And sometimes not in concern to
Ferrania.

with regards

 

[trendland]

Agreed!

Despite our best efforts, those three letters and dash before the word "order" have proven to be a very difficult obstacle to overcome. We have a number of quite angry people who feel that they are owed something even though they haven't actually paid for it.

We have an equal number of people who just go on Facebook or Twitter (or APUG) and moan very loudly they they don't have "their" film yet, even though that film is not technically "theirs" until a) we make it (perhaps the most critical point), and b) we charge their card for it (also important in terms of claiming ownership).

This is not to say that we do not feel an obligation to everyone who placed a pre-order. We most certainly do feel this obligation - quite acutely - and our primary focus is getting this film out the door and into people's hands as fast as possible.

We've tried to communicate the caveats we face all along the way. Many people have taken the time to read these posts and those folks remain patient and enormously encouraging.

But the majority just don't care about our esoteric and relatively unfathomable startup issues and are more than happy to vent their frustration publicly - a phenomenon that try as I might, I just cannot understand... Especially when the answers to their questions, or the solution to their frustrations, sits in their pocket alongside the very apps they use for their public venting...

Oh - and thanks so much to whoever started up this thread!!! I will try to drop in from time to time.

To Chris Livsey and Scott Micciche - we totally love the work you've been sharing with us and elsewhere online. Kudos and props from all of us at FILM Ferrania.

Congratulations to you Film Ferrania.
Let me short say I wish you a very
great success to further projects.
Your P30 ( it seams so ) makes more and more apetite to a few Apug people
to additional emulsions.
What is with the worldwide market ?
As you may have noticed other manufacturers smells the flower of profit in the air with new production of emulsions in the near future.
AND they want to change their agenda -
but they don't trust jet.
They are just regarding you and they are
waiting.
Thats your chance now. Your advance will be the most capital you have now.
Yes indeed that is a problem - I know,
enough capital to have ...?
But let me also say, you have done a great job in communication conception,
in design of your sites, in product presentation with P30.
The backing of this emmulsion was done well. Everything is fine.
But beware of price calculation
- because that should be your
personal Achilles' heel in the future.
And perhaps we saw this only once a time with first orders of P30......

That could it that should be a question
of superiorty to you : The price of your
films (to the first 2 years only).

with best wishes and absolute
compliments to you

 

[Chris Livsey]

To Chris Livsey and Scott Micciche - we totally love the work you've been sharing with us and elsewhere online. Kudos and props from all of us at FILM Ferrania.

Thank YOU for the film

Can I tease those still being patient who haven't gone off in a huff?

Nikon F6, 50mm f1.2 Ai Nikkor, Pyrocat-HD, 1/90th @f5.6 (Meta data from the F6 I'm not that obsessive)

 

[Larry Cloetta]

Thank YOU for the film

Can I tease those still being patient who haven't gone off in a huff?


Nikon F6, 50mm f1.2 Ai Nikkor, Pyrocat-HD, 1/90th @f5.6 (Meta data from the F6 I'm not that obsessive)

Thank YOU for the film

Can I tease those still being patient who haven't gone off in a huff?

, but am appreciating your

Nikon F6, 50mm f1.2 Ai Nikkor, Pyrocat-HD, 1/90th @f5.6 (Meta data from the F6 I'm not that obsessive)

That looks great to me, exactly the kind of look I prefer in a black and white film. Glad I ordered some. (Pre-ordered? I don't know. Something along those lines.)
Was this shot at 80 ASA? PMK is the closest thing I have, so I guess that would be different anyway, but am really appreciating your processing data. Thanks.

 

[faberryman]

We have an equal number of people who just go on Facebook or Twitter (or APUG) and moan very loudly they they don't have "their" film yet, even though that film is not technically "theirs" until a) we make it (perhaps the most critical point), and b) we charge their card for it (also important in terms of claiming ownership).

I guess people are wondering if you are you actually making it? Since most people who "pre-ordered" it apparently haven't received it, I guess the answer is no. Do you have a firm time frame for when you expect to be able to fill the "pre-orders"?

 

[fate2fade]

1/90th @f5.6 (Meta data from the F6 I'm not that obsessive)

that's a cool feature for a film camera. my fa doesn't do that.

i pre-ordered and am still patiently waiting. scans i've seen of it -- including in this thread -- look cool.

 

[Chris Livsey]

That looks great to me, exactly the kind of look I prefer in a black and white film. Glad I ordered some. (Pre-ordered? I don't know. Something along those lines.)
Was this shot at 80 ASA? PMK is the closest thing I have, so I guess that would be different anyway, but am really appreciating your processing data. Thanks.

Yes shot at 80 asa set on the Nikon and left to it, which I find hard as a sunny sixteen shooter but testing I wanted some consistency, my current roll is in a Leica M2 and is sunny sixteen.
I got the same "look" in HC110, maybe a touch more grain as I would expect but still almost a medium format look.

 

[Chris Livsey]

that's a cool feature for a film camera. my fa doesn't do that.

You can read the data on the F6 from the rear screen but with the Meta35 device, which replaces the hard to get long discontinued Nikon device, you can download the data and apply it to a scanned roll to embed the data as EXIF.
The F100 I have records the data but you can't see it until you download from the camera, some Canon models (on the dark side) supported and Nikon F6, F5, F100, N90s, N90, F90x, F90.
Dead Link Removed
No connection just a paying customer who had to pay customs duty to import into the UK!!

Shame about the FA is a nice camera with that matrix metering on manual lenses.

 

[trendland]

You can read the data on the F6 from the rear screen but with the Meta35 device, which replaces the hard to get long discontinued Nikon device, you can download the data and apply it to a scanned roll to embed the data as EXIF.
The F100 I have records the data but you can't see it until you download from the camera, some Canon models (on the dark side) supported and Nikon F6, F5, F100, N90s, N90, F90x, F90.
Dead Link Removed
No connection just a paying customer who had to pay customs duty to import into the UK!!

Shame about the FA is a nice camera with that matrix metering on manual lenses.

My Nikon F80s is writing all data in the space of two frames ( best method of all
methods)
with regards

 

[Scott Micciche]

To Chris Livsey and Scott Micciche - we totally love the work you've been sharing with us and elsewhere online. Kudos and props from all of us at FILM Ferrania.

I agree with Chris. Thank you for the film. Friends, family and other enthusiasts are really enjoying all the photographs from the main Ferrania site; it is really impressive, even for an alpha. In the software world, where I live, 'alpha' = [almost unusable crap], but not so with the P30Alpha.

 

[Scott Micciche]

Thank YOU for the film

Can I tease those still being patient who haven't gone off in a huff?

Nikon F6, 50mm f1.2 Ai Nikkor, Pyrocat-HD, 1/90th @f5.6 (Meta data from the F6 I'm not that obsessive)

This is really nice, the tonal range and detail are impressive!

 

[afriman]

almost a medium format look.

That was my immediate impression when I first saw some scans from the film - I think this is the closest to a medium format "look" that I've seen from a 35mm film. It must be a combination of sharpness and tonality (rather than grain size as such) that creates this impression. Overall I find it very pleasing.