1 / 10^2.71 * 2.048 = 0.0040 mcs
That would produce a speed of .8 / 0.0040 = 200.
I'm sorry, nothing that I do involves meter-candle seconds as it is not necessary, and the "P" constant you mention factors nowhere in my process and the film testing technique that I have learned; not saying your wrong, only that it means nothing to me in terms of my own testing. I'm not concerned with a mid-tone exposure when testing for personal film speed; it has no relevance, IMO.
There is one thing that I'm not completely clear on is the meaning when you say, "Step 19 lands right at Zone I." Are you saying that Step 19 is the aim for Zone I like there's some intrinsic value to it or that in your test the film produced a density of 0.10 over fb+f at step 19. If it's the latter, then my mistake.
Real step wedges are cast carbon, as silver wedges all have some sort of color and therefore distort speed as a function of wavelength. You could never afford a cast carbon wedge in .15 log E increments to 6.0 density.
PE
it takes a significant time for the enlarger lamp to warm up and to cool down.
For example, the VIII for diffuser is between 1.25 - 1.35
What is "cast carbon"?
Sandy King
In the back of Adams 'The Negative' are pages of HD curves giving the zone densities for various film and developer combinations.
Stephen;
There is a transformation algorithm or methodology using graphs which can reconcile the two, but basically the Zone System is a subset of the basic theory of sensitometry/densitometry and in B&W is what is also called the silver criterion. This is a method whereby the tone of the silver is related to its printing density.
PE
I have thought of this Steve, here is one of my crazy theories, so here is an answer that is both non-condescending AND non-substantive:
Flare in the good-old Pentax 1 degree meter.
For those not following, flare in the meter causes underexposure of your zone I but these low values are 'filled-in' by lens flare on the film plane; leaving the Zone System user oblivious to the situation.
Why haven't more ZS practitioners noticed the discrepancy?
I couldn't disagree with you more, but that is why we have APUG to express these things.
The whole reason for doing film testing is to remove those very type dicrepancies-----it is a major reason for testing using the same equipment that is used in making the photograph. The book "The Negative" has been invoked a few times so I'll chime in with it. I would refer you to Appendix 1, Film Testing Procedures. But perhaps you don't have it so I'll write the quotes that make my point:
IMO, it basically boils down to whether you choose to believe these statements or not. But the very act of testing film to gain control over the extremes of the negative contrast range you are testing for eliminates the concerns that you are mentioning. The mathematics of lens flare are rendered mute by proper testing and subsequent consistency in your own procedures.
I'm not here to contest your math or the graph, or get into the rightness or wrongness of AA and the ZS, that's never been my intention, there's plenty of that going around. The info you submit is surely interesting but it doesn't prove anything as far as I can tell, IMO.
I can speak only of my own practical field applications and your assertions simply can't be confirmed by me. I have no added density in my shadow placements (BTW, I place shadows from zone I to IV, not always 4 stops down, as you suggested, why so inflexible an application?) as a result of flare. Or if it is there, then it is so small as to be irrelevant so that not even my densitometer says that my Zone II placement has a density of almost Zone III or more. Therefore, I have to believe that the testing certainly does take all the factors involved (aperture, shutter, flare, processing, etc...) and places them in my direct control when I develop my negatives to the same density range each time, no matter if it is +2, +1, N, -1, -2, or -3 development. I take the traditional ZS approach and develop to a range of 1.2, it works for me so far. I have one attachment that shows the range I develop to.
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