DISCONTINUED KODAK (Chemistry products)

Jeff Searust · Oct 28, 2009

Dealers all got the same pdf. Here's part of the pdf dealing with black and white stuff that is being deleted:

[Moderator's note: Thanks for trying to cut and paste from the PDF, Jeff, but the formatting is causing more confusion. Everyone, please look at the original PDF, which dr5 has been nice enough to host on his website, and read the column headings carefully. The left column is the product or size to be discontinued and the right column is the suggested replacement--

http://www.dr5.com/B_W and E_6 Chemical Discontinuances PCN110209_AO.pdf]

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 28, 2009

Anti-fog #2 is just benzotriazole 1%, isn't it? A 5 gallon jug could last a while.

PVia · Oct 28, 2009

David A. Goldfarb said:
Photo Flo I gave up for Sistan several years ago.

Wait...is Sistan a surfactant? And you can use it on film?

I use Sistan for archivability when I don't want to change the tone of a print with selenium or other toners.

photomem · Oct 28, 2009

I wish they would keep the 1 gallon packets of Hypo Clear.. I do not have space to store 5 Gallons of Chemical.

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 28, 2009

PVia said:
Wait...is Sistan a surfactant? And you can use it on film?

I use Sistan for archivability when I don't want to change the tone of a print with selenium or other toners.

Sistan contains a surfactant as well as a preservative, and you most certainly can use it on film.

Scott_Sheppard · Oct 29, 2009

Hey...

I would bet Mr. Wood has a deeper insight in this area then the common user.

He is not spreading rumors.

If there is something on his list you mite just want or need you better GET IT NOW !!

Remember... The $$ speaks more then anything else with the vendors of photographic supplies.

BUY or DIE !!

Thanks

Scott

Alexander Ghaffari · Oct 29, 2009

I was just discussing buying more Selectol Soft a mere 6 hours ago. Thanks for the post.

Stan160 · Oct 29, 2009

photomem said:
I wish they would keep the 1 gallon packets of Hypo Clear.. I do not have space to store 5 Gallons of Chemical.

You can make your own hypo clear. Working solution is a tablespoon of sodium sulphite in a litre of water (20g/l).

Ian

Anon Ymous · Oct 29, 2009

David A. Goldfarb said:
Anti-fog #2 is just benzotriazole 1%, isn't it? A 5 gallon jug could last a while.

According to tech pub J1, it's 6-Nitrobenzimidazole Nitrate and anti-fog #1 was Benzotriazole.

RalphLambrecht · Oct 29, 2009

David A. Goldfarb said:
...Photo Flo I gave up for Sistan several years ago...

How to use Sistan as Photo-Flo? I use Photo-Flo 1+1,000.

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 29, 2009

RalphLambrecht said:
How to use Sistan as Photo-Flo? I use Photo-Flo 1+1,000.

It's not so much "using Sistan as Photo-Flo" as "if you use Sistan as a preservative, which already has a surfactant, you don't need Photo-Flo." 25 ml concentrate and add water to make 1 l.

There are some uses for Photo-Flo other than as a final rinse where Sistan would not be a substitute, for instance adding it to film developer for tray development or using it in an emulsion to promote even coating.

Christiaan Phleger · Oct 29, 2009

Still a bit shocked about Microdol-X, especially since thanks to Photo Engineer figured out what the X does. Going to have to start stocking that one up, yeah, I know Perceptol and D-25/23 will get close, but something about the X...

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 29, 2009

Anon Ymous said:
According to tech pub J1, it's 6-Nitrobenzimidazole Nitrate and anti-fog #1 was Benzotriazole.

Thanks for clearing that up, as it were.

2F/2F · Oct 29, 2009

Did anyone else notice the 5L X-Tol on the list? Am I seeing things? It seems that this would be one of their most popular items. In the experimental class I am working with right now, we have already gone through three batches of 5L X-Tol, two batches of 1 gal D-19, and a gallon of D-76, and we are only halfway through the term. Seems like lots of folks on APUG swear by X-Tol as well. Personally, it is not my cup of tea, but it seems like an odd choice to be discontinued.

Yes, more info in the OP would seem to be an obvious inclusion, rather than an attitude several pages into the thread. Not everyone knows everything about everyone who posts here.

Jerevan · Oct 29, 2009

I see the Xtol 5 liter package going. Oh my... Why the h'ck did I start using it as a standard? Dang, dang, dang... I am not going to do a liter at a time everytime I need to develop a few rolls, no way.

Anon Ymous · Oct 29, 2009

2F, Jerevan, they will discontinue the 50l bags of Xtol and propose the 5l bags as a replacement. The right column lists the proposed replacements.

2F/2F · Oct 29, 2009

Anon Ymous said:
2F, Jerevan, they will discontinue the 50l bags of Xtol and propose the 5l bags as a replacement. The right column lists the proposed replacements.

KODAK PROFESSIONAL XTOL Developer / Bag of powder to make 50 L 8184517
KODAK PROFESSIONAL XTOL Developer / Bag of powder to make 5 L 8751752

...is the way I read it in Jeff Searust's post. Is this not correct? In the same list, other items for which a replacement is suggested are clearly indicated.

Anon Ymous · Oct 29, 2009

Better have a look at the pdf, I assume the copy - paste didn't make things clear in Jeff's post. There are lines with "No Suggested Replacement" in Jeff's post and those listing Xtol don't have it.

2F/2F · Oct 29, 2009

Thank you. So, Jeff's post suffers from who knows how many similar errors. I also see that all the items listed in the OP are the items for which there is no suggested replacement.

Jerevan · Oct 29, 2009

Yeah, thanks! Whew.

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 29, 2009

I've deleted Jeff Searust's cut and paste, which seems to be causing more confusion than it resolves due to the formatting, but thanks for trying, Jeff.

Once again, if you want to see what's been discontinued, please download the PDF that dr5 has been nice enough to post on their website and read the column headings carefully. The left column is the item to be discontinued and the right is the suggested replacement--

http://www.dr5.com/B_W and E_6 Chemical Discontinuances PCN110209_AO.pdf

eclarke · Oct 29, 2009

Venchka said:
So, do I drive way across town after work and plunk down my November allowance on a bushel of 1 gallon bags of Microdol-X????????????????

I drove across town and bought 10 bottles of KRST last night. Can never be too sure..allowance gone!!!..Evan Clarke

Valerie · Oct 29, 2009

Thank you for this info dw. We use all Kodak supplies in our school darkroom. This "heads up" will let us plan for future semesters.

Athiril · Oct 29, 2009

I might stock up on Microdol-X, never having used it, itd be a shame for it to disappear from history.

Venchka said:
So, do I drive way across town after work and plunk down my November allowance on a bushel of 1 gallon bags of Microdol-X????????????????

Bushel? What era dost though hail from?

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 29, 2009

Anon Ymous said:
According to tech pub J1, it's 6-Nitrobenzimidazole Nitrate and anti-fog #1 was Benzotriazole.

Now that I think about this, PE, if you're following this, would you want to speculate about whether this was the secret ingredient in Microdol-X, hence the discontinuation of both at the same time?

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