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RalphLambrecht said:
@ Charles
Calling does not help, buying does!
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Presumably those who are calling would be those who are already buying and using? :wink:

Somehow I don't think non-buyers/non-users would be rushing to their telephones...

Ken
 
Chazzy said:
...Sepia toner surprises me. It was my understanding that many people are using light sepia toning instead of or in addition to selenium toning, for archival reasons. Wasn't it recently shown that light selenium toning does much less good that was once thought?
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There is indirect sepia toning and direct sulfide toning. I hope they are talking about the bleach-and-redevelop sepia toning and not Kodak Brown Toner, which I use all the time for direct sulfide toning.
 
Ken Nadvornick said:
Presumably those who are calling would be those who are already buying and using? :wink:

Somehow I don't think non-buyers/non-users would be rushing to their telephones...

Ken
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Kodak is just responding to a market shifting from commercial labs to a dwindling amount of individual users. People calling Kodak will not change that. Buying film and chemicals, making lots of wonderful photographs and getting young people interested is the only way to make sure the stuff will always be available, because then Kodak (or Ilford) will respond automatically.
 
This is just a speculation but consider this. Kodak does not make these chemicals anymore. They are made by Champion under the Kodak label. Is it possible that Champion made this decision? The same reason would drive it, namely poor sales, but I do suggest we consider this alternative and Kodak is merely reflecting Champion's needs here.

PE
 
So, do I drive way across town after work and plunk down my November allowance on a bushel of 1 gallon bags of Microdol-X????????????????
 
As may have been mentioned earlier, some of these announcements turn out to reflect discontinuance of a product in one particular packaging option only, so I am always concerned about accepting them without confirmation.

Matt
 
Accurate information is always very welcome, but these "discontinuation" threads just go-round-and-round-in-circles-of-speculation when the OP fails to give proper sources or complete information. Just wastes everyone time, IMHO. :rolleyes:
 
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And really, does Kodak care at all about analog photography anymore? No. Their stockholders are the only concern, and they want nothing to do with anything that doesn't make PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. We are nothing in the vast world of the almighty dollar.
 
wow, photoflo is being discontinued ...
i better buy another container, so after i am gone
my kids will be able to use it ...
i have a bottle from the 80s that maybe has a year left in it,
seeing a bottle is a lifetime supply ... maybe i'll buy two bottles and life it up!

thanks for the head's up!

john
 
sepiareverb said:
And really, does Kodak care at all about analog photography anymore? No. Their stockholders are the only concern, and they want nothing to do with anything that doesn't make PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. We are nothing in the vast world of the almighty dollar.
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if you were a business, trying to stay afloat, in a recession,
you would be worried about profits too ...
they have discontinued things, or raised prices for a long long time ...
this really is nothing new ...
 
jnanian said:
wow, photoflo is being discontinued ...
i better buy another container, so after i am gone
my kids will be able to use it ...
i have a bottle from the 80s that maybe has a year left in it,
seeing a bottle is a lifetime supply ... maybe i'll buy two bottles and life it up!

thanks for the head's up!

john
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The original post mentions Photoflo 600, not Photoflo 200, which is what you are probably using.
 
I think that it needs to be clear that these "discontinuations" involve a size or packaging, not the product.

Let me repeat that:

I think that it needs to be clear that these "discontinuations" involve a size or packaging, not the product.
 
Looks like Microdol-X is gone in all sizes, as is Selectol Soft.
 
sepiareverb said:
And really, does Kodak care at all about analog photography anymore? No. Their stockholders are the only concern, and they want nothing to do with anything that doesn't make PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. We are nothing in the vast world of the almighty dollar.
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Legally, a commercial company's first financial duty is to its stockholders, that is none-negotiable. (We may not agree with that, of course, morally or otherwise, but that's not the point.)

I was rather interested to hear a short radio interview this week with the scientist at Kodak who invented the first working digital camera about 30 years ago. He said that most people had changed to digital in the last 5-10 years, whereas Kodak had expected a much longer timetable to advertise and persuade people to leave the film cameras which they owned and were used to, His opinion was that without the development and integration of computers and home entertainment, digital penetration to the camera market would have been quite slow.

Also, he thought that analogue photography has probably now reached its
lowest market share, but that there would remain a small, or increasing, market with artists, enthusiasts and professional photographers who needed particular results and effects.
 
jnanian said:
wow, photoflo is being discontinued ...
i better buy another container, so after i am gone
my kids will be able to use it ...
i have a bottle from the 80s that maybe has a year left in it,
seeing a bottle is a lifetime supply ... maybe i'll buy two bottles and life it up!

thanks for the head's up!

john
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Photo Flo 600 is being discontinued. The 200 is still there! This is a more environmentally safe product anyhow. The 200 uses propylene glycol and the 600 uses ethylene glycol.

As for Kodak's timetable about digital replacing analog, I am aware that Kodak had a different estimate of how fast digital was going to be introduced. We had some pretty stiff arguments over the decision to go with the longer estimate of digital taking over the field. Nevertheless, they were among the first with high quality digital cameras, but lacked the faith in the market to stick it out. There are stories I could tell about this one. :sad:

PE
 
Photo Engineer said:
As for Kodak's timetable about digital replacing analog, I am aware that Kodak had a different estimate of how fast digital was going to be introduced. We had some pretty stiff arguments over the decision to go with the longer estimate of digital taking over the field. Nevertheless, they were among the first with high quality digital cameras, but lacked the faith in the market to stick it out. There are stories I could tell about this one. :sad:

PE
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That's very interesting, thanks. I don't think that anyone antipated the quick take-up of digital, or, for that matter, the almost 100% penetration of computers to the home with their amazingly easy advanced uses for ordinary non-IT people.

Even 20 years ago, what keen amateur would have anticipated such things as the demise of Kodachrome, the closure of Agfa, and the availability of top analague equipment for a few $ on something called Ebay. :smile:

I didn't get the name of the Kodak guy on the radio...I think he was getting some award for the development of CCD's and their application to photography. You may have known him, of course.
 
railwayman3 said:
...I didn't get the name of the Kodak guy on the radio...I think he was getting some award for the development of CCD's and their application to photography. You may have known him, of course.
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His name is Steve Sasson, and he listed in wikipedia with a link to the patent paper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sasson

The filing date for the patent is 1977, but he took the first digital image in Dec of 1975. His 'model' was a lab technician with the name of Joyce Marshall. The picture was awful and is lost (I thinks that's trying to tell us something). The camera still exists but does not work anymore (sounds familiar?). He used Moore's law to predict that digital imaging technology would require 15 to 20 years to reach a resolution of 2 megapixel, which he thought was a minimum to create usable images. I think his prediction was very good!
 
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That's a very long list! I never used Microdol-X but I wanted to try some.
 
dr5chrome said:
http://www.dr5.com/B_W and E_6 Chemical Discontinuances PCN110209_AO.pdf

This is a PDF file we got. It is a dealers notice... sheeesh.

dw
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Thanks for forwarding that.

Microdol-X is an old standard that I used to use quite a lot, but haven't for some years.

Again, similar developers are D-23, which you can mix yourself easily from metol and sodium sulfite, and Ilford Perceptol, if you don't want to mix your own. With a little testing and adjustment of exposure and development time, you should be able to match your results in Microdol-X fairly closely.

Glacial acetic acid in gallon jugs--I think I can manage with smaller bottles.

Photo Flo I gave up for Sistan several years ago.

I do know a lab with a Refrema full of Xtol, and I guess they'll be annoyed at not being able to get 50L bags anymore, but at least the 5L bags are still available.
 
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Well, the sepia toner kits sucks for me. I'd better get shopping.
 
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