In response to that 'scan and discard' story, I think...
- what if the sailor at Pearl Harbor took photos with his camera, got the film processed and printed, got the prints back and trashed the negatives...and then the prints got lost or ruined in a flood? The images would have been lost to historians.
- What if I took photos of Kamala Harris as VP visitng San Francisco, processed the film and had them scanned and threw away the negatives, and the harddrive that I stored the photos on could no longer function (because of head crash) and the DVD-RW with the scanned images degraded the reflective layer so that data was irretrievable...and she became the first female President of the US? The images would have been lost to historians.
Folks think they do not 'lose' digital data, not comprehending that it is hard to find a ST-506 controller for 1988 harddrive that will fit into a 2022 PC bus, so the data on that 1988 harddrive is now irretrievable.
Negatives need to be store with some care to endure. So many things can go wrong--my uncle was an avid amateur photographer, but not the best darkroom technician. Many of his negatives as well as his prints have not aged very well.
I made photographs of a variety of politicians and anti-war figures in Washington D.C. toward the end of the Vietnam War. The negatives disappeared during one of my moves. Historians are not crying. The world has not ended.
There are a lot of photographs of Pearl Harbor. There are a lot of photos of Kamala Harris.
Why would a photographer save his scans on a 1988 hard drive? My first hard drive with a ST-506 was a 20MB full height Seagate. Yes, 20MB. That would not have held many scans.
Why are you scanning you film anyway?
So if images are of such low value, why bother to shoot?! Why share any images?
I shoot because I enjoy doing so and it gives me a creative outlet. I generally don't share my images.
It is nice to know that you consider your images of historical significance. I hope posterity appreciates you. And the thousands of people who photographed the same event.In response to that 'scan and discard' story, I think...
- what if the sailor at Pearl Harbor took photos with his camera, got the film processed and printed, got the prints back and trashed the negatives...and then the prints got lost or ruined in a flood? The images would have been lost to historians.
- What if I took photos of Kamala Harris as VP visitng San Francisco, processed the film and had them scanned and threw away the negatives, and the harddrive that I stored the photos on could no longer function (because of head crash) and the DVD-RW with the scanned images degraded the reflective layer so that data was irretrievable...and she became the first female President of the US? The images would have been lost to historians.
Folks think they do not 'lose' digital data, not comprehending that it is hard to find a ST-506 controller for 1988 harddrive that will fit into a 2022 PC bus, so the data on that 1988 harddrive is now irretrievable.
It is nice to know that you consider your images of historical significance. I hope posterity appreciates you. And the thousands of people who photographed the same event.
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Already solved!...they take pictures of THEMSELF to send to others!
Not all photos have any significance. A few do....but not if they cannot be handed off to someone who appreciates it.
We already have many fewer photojournalists earning a living, that we are increasingly dependent upon photos by the common man to chronicle events of the world.
We often do not realize there is any significance to our photos, until someone else points it out. I shot a photo of many iceburgs that broke off a glacier in Chile 35 years ago, which amazed someone who was in the same location this year, with no iceburgs due to climate change.
Why would a photographer save his scans on a 1988 hard drive? My first hard drive with a ST-506 controller was a 20MB full height Seagate. Yes, 20MB. That would not have held many scans.
Why are you scanning your film anyway? Make prints and put them in a safety deposit box if you are worried about posterity.
Who was the "someone" who was amazed by your photos of a glacier in Chile 35 years ago? Are there any other photo of the glacier in Chile 35 years ago?
What arrangements have you made to "hand off" your photographs to someone who would appreciate them?
If that photo had been taken with a modern digital camera, it could include GPS coordinates--something of great use to those interested in the movement and disappearance of glaciers. Analogue photos need to be annotated by hand--not everyone is willing to take the time or care to do that. And if your photo had never been scanned and shared, it would not exist as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
While I know a little Python, I am more fluent in PHP and wondered if the ChatGPT software could generate code to do what you are thinking of: generate an MD5 hash for a series of files and compare those to files in another source. Yes, it can. A bit more tweaking and copying from a backup source would be easy.
It is nice to know that you consider your images of historical significance. I hope posterity appreciates you. And the thousands of people who photographed the same event.
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Ansel wasted his time, too, apparently,
@VinceInMT . Thanks for that. I've not looked at ChatGPT yet. If the learning curve looks too steep I may carry on with Python as it's a relatively straightforward task. The open-source library support for Python is quite amazing.
Now it's off to youTube for a quick deep dive into ChatGpt, make a decision and, most importantly, back to more BW film photography.
I can represent the fact that 'care' is not essential...I have color negs and B&W negs that I took during my teen years, stored in glassine envelopes (one glassine might hold entire roll) that were 'filed' into a cardboard box (like you might have gotten as a gift purchased at a department store). Last year I discovered and retrieved the box, that had sat in my mother's home, with no special conditions for storage there. All negatives can be scanned to great looking quality....two examples
Well care is 'not essential' in digital either by those metrics. A few years ago I was helping a friend clear out the office of their small machine shop after a fire took out the majority of their file archive. Technically what took it out was the putting out of the fire, because apparently paper doesn't really like being blasted by firehoses... Who knew?
But we did manage to recover all of the most critical design data for the company off old floppy disks that had spent over two decades being used to balance or wedge random bits of furniture or equipment around the place...
Why rely on care and attention when pure dumb luck can be there to save the day?
I've thrown out an ammo box of 'liquid negatives' of a friend's family photos. Blind faith in the hard copy being forever is a dangerous game.
I've also helped many friends throw out boxes of old family photos when they were prepping to move across country and had no space to bring them, and no one else wanted them. If you want your photo legacy to survive after you're gone, make sure you've curated the hell out of it into easily managed chunks, and don't leave a disorganized 'box of trash' for someone to deal with.
I've also helped many friends throw out boxes of old family photos when they were prepping to move across country and had no space to bring them, and no one else wanted them. If you want your photo legacy to survive after you're gone, make sure you've curated the hell out of it into easily managed chunks, and don't leave a disorganized 'box of trash' for someone to deal with.
Folks don't think that one day they could need to memorialize the lifetime of a loved one when death comes to visit.
Folks don't think that one day they could need to memorialize the lifetime of a loved one when death comes to visit.
I guess some people still display photos of the deceased at the viewing or funeral. If that is something you desire to do, you should have some photos set aside for that purpose. Are you all set in that department?
In that vein, how do you have your negatives and prints organized and preserved?
Sirius Glass said:Maybe you would not, but some do.
I have a collection of photos and negs inherited from my mother, who is still among us. But no way I have attempted to catalog many decades of her life captured on film!
I have a collection of photos and negs of my own, and they are filed in a way in which I can see the kinds of photos that are on each roll of film, if that roll is simply not a collection of random days in a lifetime.
I have digital photos all sorted into folders each named appropriately.
I know my wife has a randomized box full of photos (and few negs) for photos she inherited from her parents...I helped one of the grandaughters scan and assemble a collection of photos of her grandparents, when each of them passed.
And you?
The photographs that I want to survive are printed, matted, and stored in labeled museum boxes.
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