Dating my Kodak 2D 8x10

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John Jarosz

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I have had 4 pass thru my hands & I researched the dates. They must be somewhere on the web, but I did not write down my source. I don't know why I didn't write it down, I do everything else. Anyway,
These were all 8x10:

135000 -- 1923 to 1924
144860 -- 1924 to 1925
189999 -- 1932 to 1937
442899 -- 1946 to 1948
 

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I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd drop in and see if anyone can help date my 8X10 2D. It is a "made for" model from Folmer Graflex and has a stamped plate on top that has 161-USN-266407 on it. Could this be a U.S.Navy model from WW11? This could fit in with the date, but it is a mystery. It's a great old beast thats been lovingly restored by a good friend and camera shop owner, with new bellows and ground glass. I worked the wood with Fornbys and polished up the brass a bit and have shot my first few sheets of film with it. Any help on the USN and date part would be great.
 

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The six digit serial number is stamped on the left side of the rear standard, facing up, as you face the ground glass. It is hard to see because the rear of the camera/ bellows frame is directly above it .

Huh? Little help, please. I couldn't find it - I don't know if I'm looking in the wrong place or if it got wiped out by the refinisher.

I just picked up the 8x10 2-D shown this morning from someone local on craigslist. From the C-1 plate, I'm guessing it's from 1941 but I should be able to confirm that from the graflex serial number.

It's a nice camera overall but needs a ground glass - any suggestions on the best/cheapest way to pick one up?

Thanks,
Dan
 

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5x7 Eastman View 2-D

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I was recently gifted this fine piece (including tripod). Its serial number is 121082. It didn't come with film holders but, that shouldn't be an issue. The shutter still works on the high end which surprised me. The glass was also amazingly clean once I removed the layer of dust! Not sure if this lens came with it or not, the board looks a little different from the body. From reading this post, it must have been from the 1920's (if the numbers apply to all formats, not just the 8x10's). The bellows looked good (just the sunlight test, not film) and with a little TLC should make a come back. I've been shooting 4x5 for the last 25 years so this will be a fun jump up.
 

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If that's a 7 inch lens, you'll need something longer. Nice gift!

Wat a minute, that's not an 8x10. The lens should cover 5x7 just fine.
 

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image.jpg My 2d must be an early one. It makes no mention of the Graflex company, and the serial number is only in the 16,000's. 16195, to be exact. Any idea what year that may have been?
 

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View attachment 90612 My 2d must be an early one. It makes no mention of the Graflex company, and the serial number is only in the 16,000's. 16195, to be exact. Any idea what year that may have been?

The serial number is located on top surface of the base of the rear standard. Looking from the back, it is on the left side.

Jon
 

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Using " A History of the Rochester, NY Camera and Lens Companies by Rudolf Kingslake, http://www.nwmangum.com/Kodak/Rochester.html ,
Century Camera Company- founded in 1900; purchased by George Eastman in 1903; 1907 became the Century Division of Eastman Kodak, merged with Folmer and Schwing.
Folmer and Schwing Manufacturing Company incorporated in April 1890; April 1905 purchased by George Eastman; 1907 became the Folmer and Schwing Division of Eastman Kodak; 1917 became the Folmer-Century Division; 1926 became the Folmer Graflex Company; 1945 Graflex Corp.
From many post in http://www.graflex.org/helpboard/ Folmer and Schwing put a serial number on each camera built but kept no record of those serial numbers. In 1907 it is assumed Mr. Schwing, the accountant of Folmer and Schwing, went out and purchased a single entry ledger. In that ledger was listed the work order number, the quantity, camera type, beginning serial number and ending serial number. In July 1922 they started listing the date the entry was made in the ledger. This ledger continued in use until 1962 when a second book was introduced. In 1973 a long time administrator took the serial number books with him as the door was closed for the last time. The book(s) were scanned and copies given to a few people with the understanding that it would never be made public, but that does not mean a holder of a copy cannot tell someone when their camera was made.
There is no way to know when a given camera was actually made as there may be a few days to two years between entries for a given model.
If the first entry was for 500 cameras those 500 serial numbers were assigned in sequence to that model. If the next entry was for 25 cameras then the next 25 serial numbers were assigned in sequence to that camera model. This pattern continued until 1947 or 1948 when a large block of numbers were set aside for Pacemaker Crowns and Pacemaker Speeds in each of their 3 formats. Some serial numbers were used two times by accident in the late 1950's or early 1960's. In 1960 Graflex started stamping a letter, number, letter date code on their products.

Now from the first serial number book:
16195-NA
121082- entry made 7-28-1922, 5 x 7 2D; #232 of 250.
135000- assigned to 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 RB Series B; 135400 5x7 2D; 136000 6 1/2 x 8 1/2 2D, all early 1924.
135865- assigned 1-9-1924, 5 x 7 2D; #365 of 500.
144860- assigned 4-23-1924, 8 x 10 2D; #10 of 400.
160268- assigned 2-15-1928, 8 x 10 2D; #277 of 500.
189999- assigned 11-20-1935, 5 x 7 2D, #85 of 150.
333745- in a batch of numbers skipped, assumed to be a military order, 1943-1944.
407056- assigned 9-23-1946, 8 x 10 2D; #283 of 300.
442899- assigned 8-16-1947, 8 x 10 2D; #128 of 300.
452499- assigned 12-8-1947, 8 x 10 2D; #169 of 300.

Cameras were built according to demand.
 
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Oh, I believe it is 145011, which might place it somewhere around 1924. Thanks so much!
 

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another 2-D for the record

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Serial 174725
Eastman View Camera
No. 2-D
Manufactured in the USA for
Eastman Kodak co.
by
Folmer Graflex Corporation
 
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I have a 5x7 2D: Serial # 161257 and an 8x10 Serial # 191257. What are the dates on these cameras?

Thank you,

m
 

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Thank you for the information. I hadn't noticed that the 8x10 is an Eastman View, but that is what it says on the nameplate.


m



161257 listed as a #2D 5x7 in the middle of a batch of 250 made in 1928.
191257 listed as a 8x10 Eastman View, last one of a batch of 7 end of March 1936. There is a work order for #2D 8x10 listed in April.
Your 8x10 is an Eastman View.
 

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Date please for a 2D. wood is stamped 191 in several areas. SN is 124,623. "Made by". Leather strap says EASTMAN VIEW.
Small brass plate says " Detroit Camera Shop" below "Eastman" plate on lower rail. Glass plate measures roughly 4x5? So is this a 5x7 camera? 30 cm lens German

Thank you in advance
 

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Thank you so very much. I appreciate the info shutterfinger. I recently got this camera that my dad used in his studio when I was a very young child. He passed away 13 years ago and my mom gave me this beautiful camera. It really is a work of art!

I have another camera that I am trying to I.D. but can't seem to find a picture of online. It has a unicum lens F8. Folding camera. Red bellows. leather case outside. It has a black lens mounting plate. In the back the top open and there are metal film plates? Any Ideas what it might be? or where to find markings?
 

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Thanks for the info and links. Lots of great fun information. Appreciate your knowledge
 

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I've just recently picked up a 2D 8x10", the serial number is either 128593 or 123593, I can't tell. I'm pretty sure the third digit is a 3, though. Any idea when it was made?

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