BLIND PRINT EXCHANGE ROUND 18 (BPX18) - Sign Up Thread

[mesantacruz]

Hello everyone, looking forward to this...

 

[Katie]

Oh, dot wanna miss this! Just got back into town, do please add me to the list.

 

[spijker]

I like the concept of this so I'm in for this round. I've read the FAQ. I don't mind shipping worldwide. Eugene, I'll send you a pm with my address.

Menno

 

[piu58]

> This one is too expensive for me...so I'm out, sorry guys...

Dear Stone,

in postcard exchage you have to send a card to every participant of that round, or you select a slightly smaller amount of cards. So you have to deal with 20-40 cards every round.

In BPX you have to send only one, but usually larger print.

Costs are not that expansive, if you avoid sendig a real huge print overseas. A decent print can be sent in a large enveloppe.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I mentioned this in the previous round, but it might be worth repeating here as well just to give an idea using some actual numbers.

My print went from near Seattle, Washington to Oslo, Norway, sent USPS. It was dry mounted on 11x14 board with a custom matte and a backing board. It was boxed at 12" x 16" x 4" and filled with bubble wrap. The total postage cost was USD $22.30. It took eleven days to arrive.

I would think this cost to be near the high end, unless the destination was further from me than Europe. I do think that, in absolute terms, for sending something of that size one-third of the way around the world in under two weeks, it's not an outrageous cost. Factoring in affordability, however, is another story entirely. YMMV...

Ken

 

[MattKing]

I mentioned this in the previous round, but it might be worth repeating here as well just to give an idea using some actual numbers.

My print went from near Seattle, Washington to Oslo, Norway, sent USPS. It was dry mounted on 11x14 board with a custom matte and a backing board. It was boxed at 12" x 16" x 4" and filled with bubble wrap. The total postage cost was USD $22.30. It took eleven days to arrive.

I would think this cost to be near the high end, unless the destination was further from me than Europe. I do think that, in absolute terms, for sending something of that size one-third of the way around the world in under two weeks, it's not an outrageous cost. Factoring in affordability, however, is another story entirely.

Ken

I wonder how much it would have cost to send it just north, to Canada.

I ponder this, because sometimes there seems to be no sense to the rates.

As a case in point, I recently sent a JOBO developing tank and 1000 series reel to an APUG member in the eastern US. He only needed the reel, but it was cheaper to send it in a box big enough for the tank then it was to send it in a box just big enough for the reel.

And the cost of sending that parcel was over $10.00.

 

[StoneNYC]

> This one is too expensive for me...so I'm out, sorry guys...

Dear Stone,

in postcard exchage you have to send a card to every participant of that round, or you select a slightly smaller amount of cards. So you have to deal with 20-40 cards every round.

In BPX you have to send only one, but usually larger print.

Costs are not that expansive, if you avoid sendig a real huge print overseas. A decent print can be sent in a large enveloppe.

OH!!

However again I don't wet print

I think I read I can use "lightjet" printing for chromes since Cibichrome isn't available anymore? What's lightjet? That may be my only option.


~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I wonder how much it would have cost to send it just north, to Canada.

I ponder this, because sometimes there seems to be no sense to the rates.

As a case in point, I recently sent a JOBO developing tank and 1000 series reel to an APUG member in the eastern US. He only needed the reel, but it was cheaper to send it in a box big enough for the tank then it was to send it in a box just big enough for the reel.

And the cost of sending that parcel was over $10.00.

So I'm thinking you may have a "lilypad" business opportunity hiding in there somewhere, Matt! What's your address again???

I will add that the post office lady did have to spend a few minutes looking up the cost from a huge book. She also seemed unsure as to whether she was correct. "Were you prepared for that [amount]?" she asked, as if seeking confirmation from me that she wasn't wrong. With six people waiting in line behind me I wasn't going to argue a few dollars one way or the other, so I replied "Sure."

After hearing the package contained a photograph and quoting me the cost, she then asked, "Why don't you just email it?" Sigh... Without breaking eye contact I slowly picked up the box and gently shook it. I'm not sure that registed, however.

Ken

 

[ataim]

Count me in. PM sent with information.

 

[anikin]

Marco, Mark, Menno, Katie and Paul, Welcome in!

Katie, I assume your address has not changed?

I feel this is going to be a great round! Updated list:

Eugene (anikin)
Bert (TheToadMen)
John (JohnRichard)
Edward (Ed Bray)
Ken (Ken Nadvornick)
Uwe (piu58)
Paul (paul_c5x4)
Andrej (andreios)
Kevin (Kevin Kehler)
Marco (mesantacruz)
Mark (Mark_S)
Menno (spijker)
Katie (Katie)
Paul (ataim)

 

[MattKing]

So I'm thinking you may have a "lilypad" business opportunity hiding in there somewhere, Matt! What's your address again???

I will add that the post office lady did have to spend a few minutes looking up the cost from a huge book. She also seemed unsure as to whether she was correct. "Were you prepared for that [amount]?" she asked, as if seeking confirmation from me that she wasn't wrong. With six people waiting in line behind me I wasn't going to argue a few dollars one way or the other, so I replied "Sure."

After hearing the package contained a photograph and quoting me the cost, she then asked, "Why don't you just email it?" Sigh... Without breaking eye contact I slowly picked up the box and gently shook it. I'm not sure that registed, however.

Ken

If you really want to use up a frustrating amount of time, get a scale that will work for postal purposes (I use a digital kitchen scale) and then work your way through the options for parcels on Canada Post's website.

The good thing is that you can use that site to pay for the shipping and print the prepaid label and customs documentation from your computer, and if you pay for the more expensive options, they will come to you to pick up the parcel. Also, if you receive payment by PayPal for an eBay sale that you issued a PayPal invoice for, you can purchase the shipping through a Portal that originates there, and get access to special, discounted shipping options.

Now, after that aside, back to the matter at hand.

I'll join up again for this round.

I'll send you a PM with my address Eugene, although it is unchanged from the one I use for the Postcard Exchange.

 

[MattKing]

OH!!

However again I don't wet print

I think I read I can use "lightjet" printing for chromes since Cibichrome isn't available anymore? What's lightjet? That may be my only option.


~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

Lightjets are one of the options available to labs who want to print digital files on to photographic paper.

Just check with your lab about the output product. If it is a print on a paper that was light sensitive and required chemical development, it is fine. The most common is either Kodak or Fuji paper suitable for RA4 process (or the equivalent) but there are remnants of other suppliers (Mitsubishi?) and Ilford/Harman make black and white paper designed for lab digital exposures and chemical development.

In essence, if the prints are not ink on paper, they are okay.

EDIT: And of course, the original "capture" must be analogue in nature (usually photographic film).

 

[StoneNYC]

Lightjets are one of the options available to labs who want to print digital files on to photographic paper.

Just check with your lab about the output product. If it is a print on a paper that was light sensitive and required chemical development, it is fine. The most common is either Kodak or Fuji paper suitable for RA4 process (or the equivalent) but there are remnants of other suppliers (Mitsubishi?) and Ilford/Harman make black and white paper designed for lab digital exposures and chemical development.

In essence, if the prints are not ink on paper, they are okay.

EDIT: And of course, the original "capture" must be analogue in nature (usually photographic film).

Ok I'm in again, PMing the appropriate people.


~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[anikin]

Welcome back Matt!
It's good to have you here, Stone!

Here's updated list, please let me know if I missed someone:

Eugene (anikin)
Bert (TheToadMen)
John (JohnRichard)
Edward (Ed Bray)
Ken (Ken Nadvornick)
Uwe (piu58)
Paul (paul_c5x4)
Andrej (andreios)
Kevin (Kevin Kehler)
Marco (mesantacruz)
Mark (Mark_S)
Menno (spijker)
Katie (Katie)
Paul (ataim)
Stone (StoneNYC)
Matt (MattKing)

 

[mjs]

I signed up again. I like sending and receiving prints from around the world!

Mike

 

[TheToadMen]

In essence, if the prints are not ink on paper, they are okay.
EDIT: And of course, the original "capture" must be analogue in nature (usually photographic film).

WOW: I feel a whole new style of alternative photography arising: the analogue N.I.O.P. print.
Just short: this is an "Aniop print" exchange.

Or to be more precise: a "not ink on paper & analogue in nature" print = a N.I.O.P.A.I.N. print

BTW: Bromoil printing isn't excluded, is it ??

 

[MattKing]

BTW: Bromoil printing isn't excluded, is it ??

I knew someone would come up with an exception to my attempt to simplify the answer.

As long as the ink is put down by an inkjet printer, I would think Bromoil will meet the criteria.

 

[TheToadMen]

I knew someone would come up with an exception to my attempt to simplify the answer.

As long as the ink is put down by an inkjet printer, I would think Bromoil will meet the criteria.

Bromoil printing doesn't involve any inkjet printing: you're the printer yourself! It is a very old printing process, wherein the silver in the image is replaced by ink. The Bromoil printing process was invented in 1907 be Englishman C. Welbourne Piper on a suggestion from E.J. Wall.

In short: print an image (conventional B&W print on a fibre based bromide paper from a negative), bleach, keep paper wet while stamping ink (any colour(s) you choose) on it with a special brush.
See: Making a Bromoil print for a better description.

It's one of my favorite alt-photo processes.

 

[StoneNYC]

I called my photo lab, they say their prints are still chemical even though the file is a digital scan of a chrome, which works for me, so I'll be able to do it

 

[MattKing]

Bromoil printing doesn't involve any inkjet printing: you're the printer yourself! It is a very old printing process, wherein the silver in the image is replaced by ink. The Bromoil printing process was invented in 1907 be Englishman C. Welbourne Piper on a suggestion from E.J. Wall.

In short: print an image (conventional B&W print on a fibre based bromide paper from a negative), bleach, keep paper wet while stamping ink (any colour(s) you choose) on it with a special brush.
See: Making a Bromoil print for a better description.

It's one of my favorite alt-photo processes.

Bert:

I know.

Bromoils are beautiful, individual pieces of Art.

I just wanted to make sure that someone doesn't try to use an inkjet printer to try to make one for this exchange!

EDIT: I don't think we have heard from Gene Laughter in a long time here on APUG. I wonder how he is doing?

 

[semi-ambivalent]

Anikin,

I'm in again.

s-a

 

[TheToadMen]

##WARNING: reading this message may harm your sanity: it contains digital words##

Bert:
I know.
Bromoils are beautiful, individual pieces of Art.
I just wanted to make sure that someone doesn't try to use an inkjet printer to try to make one for this exchange!

Hi Matt,
I thought so, since you wrote: "As long as the ink is put down by an inkjet printer, I would think Bromoil will meet the criteria." I wasn't sure.
I suppose you mend: "As long as the ink is NOT put down by an inkjet printer ..." to avoid people thinking that Bromoil is a new kind of Quad Tone RIP or Epson Ultrachrome ink???
(Am I even allowed to use such words on APUG?)

 

[paul_c5x4]

(Am I even allowed to use such words on APUG?)

Most certainly not.... /me wanders off to give Van Helsing a call...

However, this "ink on paper" discussion does raise a question about another process - Carbon prints. No intermediate silver based paper used, just whack a layer of India Ink on to a sheet of paper and expose (OK, ink is mixed with gelatin and the process is a little more involved).

 

[StoneNYC]

Imagine if the person who gets my print really dislikes me but likes the print, oh the irony and confusion...


~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[TheToadMen]

Most certainly not.... /me wanders off to give Van Helsing a call...

However, this "ink on paper" discussion does raise a question about another process - Carbon prints. No intermediate silver based paper used, just whack a layer of India Ink on to a sheet of paper and expose (OK, ink is mixed with gelatin and the process is a little more involved).

Good point, but two different factors might be confused this way.
1) We want analogue prints, not inkjet prints. Check!
However, an analogue print doesn't have to be on silver based photographic paper only. Thus all alt-photo procedures like, gum printing, casein printing cyanotype, carbon printing (as invented by Alphonse Poitevin in 1855, not laserprinting), salt printing, etc. are eligible, IF:
2) the original image/negative was made in an analogue way. So, not an image made with an Iphone, worked over in Photoshop and digital printed as a negative.

Shortly: If you can find the printing process in this wonderful & must read book, it is allowed (IMHO):

You'll get the drift ....