In neither is there any reference to its ortho qualities. In fact in one, the presenter introduces it as a famous ISO 80 panchromatic film from the heyday of the Italian cinema.
Quite and it appears that in this video to which I refer the presenter is simply repeating what Ferrania states and is either unaware of the effect P30 has on reds even when it reveals itself in one of his shots taken with a filter that should have lightened the reds instead of having no effect or simply glossed over what he knew to be a contradiction when a red filter is used with panchromatic filmWell, it does say "panchro" on the box.
There are quite a few reviews of P30 (and everything else imaginable) on YouTube. I don't spend time watching them and trying to sort the wheat from the chaff. YouTube is just not a go-to source for accurate information.
What struck me after reading Adrian's report is that what Ferrania may be equally concerned about as well as ripping is that labs use, in the main, continuous agitation and the effect this may have on contrast.
So any idea where the danger of ripping the film comment from the presenter might have come from? I suppose that the two statements can be reconciled if Ferrania is recommending "home" constant agitation of the either constant inversion or Jobo rotation sort but if this is the correct interpretation of Ferrania's recommendations then a pity this wasn't make clearer by Ferrania or was it?but elsewhere they recommend continuous agitation as the film has motion picture roots, and Motion picture processing machines have the film constantly in motion.
I thought it was in one of the versions of best practices. but after just looking at three of them, I can't find it. their have been so many comments over the last few years that It is hard to remember where one gets impressions.It might help if you can say where Ferrania made its recommendation for continuous agitation. Is it in the written insructions or somethig it said on Photrio ?
It might help if you can say where Ferrania made its recommendation for continuous agitation. Is it in the written insructions or somethig it said on Photrio?
Processing with a rotary tank is one of Ferrania recommended techniques for which they recommend constant rotation (duh), which sounds to me like constant agitation.
https://www.filmferrania.com/p30-processing
Ferrania hasn't actually done any testing. They are just passing on info from users, so who knows which processing technique, including agitation method, is best.
So has Ferrania actually put its name to the first sentence in your quote and said that this was its own testing for D76 using constant rotation/ inversion?. I just couldn't work out if there is a difference between the "RECOMMENDED DEVELOPERS AND TECHNIQUES" and the ADDITIONAL PROCESSING TECHNIQUES in that the former has had some actual input from Ferrania and the later none in sense that it is simply repeating what users have supplied
Presumably one wants to use a film for some reason - some particular characteristic for example. What amuses me regarding this Ferrania stuff is nobody has an idea what its characteristics actually are, and yet they want it so much - apparently for no particular reason.
I thought the whole film fragility issue was Film Ferrania recommending it not to be used in cameras with automatic electronic rewind systems? I've used it in manual wind cameras only so far.
How would it be more “grain free” than say Ilford Pan F?......In my experience, it is more grain free than Pan-F. Shooting Ferrania P30 kind of reminds me of developing your B&W film in Microdol-X. The grain looks "smeared." I like the effect, but that's just me.
Jim B.
Isn't that the point. It is all "thought" as opposed to know because Ferrania has not told us. The same statement applies to speed, ortho or not, Ferrania recommended developers and times etc
pentaxuser
Thanks It looks like Ferrania may have fixed this issue. If I were Ferrania and knew that progress on P30 and the rest of its objectives was proceeding more slowly than had been anticipated I might have wanted to give out the positive news that consumers need no longer consider this former problem of its film and electric wind cameras.Ferrania advised us not to use the alpha film in electric motor wind cameras, as there were concerns it could break...especially at the end of the roll where the film could become detached from the spool inside the cassette.
I don't see this advice for the retail product.
Thanks It looks like Ferrania may have fixed this issue. If I were Ferrania and knew that progress on P30 and the rest of its objectives was proceeding more slowly than had been anticipated I might have wanted to give out the positive news that consumers need no longer consider this former problem of its film and electric wind cameras.
However the whole trust of recent posts has been about Ferrania communications or perceived lack of them.
pentaxuser
Presumably one wants to use a film for some reason - some particular characteristic for example. What amuses me regarding this Ferrania stuff is nobody has an idea what its characteristics actually are, and yet they want it so much - apparently for no particular reason.
On the contrary....when I use P30 it is because it is virtually grain free even in 135. In 120 it's going to be something of a game changer in that regard. It has very rich contrast, which makes it good for certain situations - buildings, landscapes, wildlife...not necessarily portraits.
Thanks for your comprehensive report on your tests with P30 I have recently downloaded "Raging Bull" so I must have a look at the shadows areas in it and try to see if there are any recognisable i.e. known "red " objects to see how dark they arethe target consumer seems to be someone who buys expensive mystery film, has possibly heard of the movie Raging Bull, !
Which is a good recommendation, even if you don't care about the film stockYou'll need to watch a Fellini film like La dolce Vita or 8½.
What game in 120 is P30 going to change?
It's pretty much grain free in 135. In 120, it will be possible to make huge crops or enlargements without noticeable grain. People have also experimented successfully with reversal processing of P30 and I can imagine medium format slides will contain a level of detail never before seen. It's *that* detailed when handled according to the best practices document.
Could also be very good in small formats such as 8mm and 16mm. Compared to Fomapan R 100 (currently the most easily available double 8mm stock) it's a totally different universe in terms of detail and grain.
Which is a good recommendation, even if you don't care about the film stock.
I wonder what colours the cars and the bus were?
True. All bets are off if it's not P30 that was used for Raging Bull as I understood AZD to have meant when he mentioned itWatching Raging Bull won't tell you much about P30 since it was shot on Kodak Double-X. You'll need to watch a Fellini film like La dolce Vita or 8½. I am not sure how you will know what objects are red in the film, unless perhaps you are familiar with Italian road signs from the early 1960s.
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