Well said John.
i guess this is another "photographers, curators, and judges are talentless,
and promote "bad photography" / "bad art" " threads ...
a lot of this is true and always will be true, ... but, it sells ...
if it really matters so much who the curators or judges are ...
if you don't like the contests they are judging, or the exhibitions they are showing
don't go ... and start your own ...
it isn't hard to rent a space and start your own gallery, or have your own contests
but the problem is, if your place becomes popular, or trendy, or shows "talent" then you become
just like the things you were trying to get away from ( in other people's eyes )
"The *** embraces the fluidity and endless openness of the ceaselessly multiplying image world. And it is of course none again when the idea of the professional photographer is being turned over, lost re-found.
***
Curator of Contemporary Art & Photography
Art Gallery of ***"
Curators are mainly art history majors, not artists or photogs themselves. In 2018, roughly 65% to 70% of the curators of photography at museums are women.
Here was one art museum that had an 89% women curatorial crew. (did not figure gender % currently.)
https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/about/curatorial_staff/
In my lifetime which is the greater part of a century, all photography has had its "Curators". They were called "Editors, Photo Judges, Museum Curators, Gallery Owners, Buyers and others". All "judged" photographs according to their "needs". In most cases each need was different. I haven't seen a Photo Salon in years but that and perhaps Photo Galleries are the only two that cared anything about the "Art". The rest had, usually, a commercial reason to look at pictures. Magazine and newspaper photo contests picked pictures to please their readers, even National Geographic, especially when it buys pictures that their photographers did not take. (mostly Nature).......Regards!What does the high percentage of women curators have to do with this topic? (It could be seen that you are implying that the problem with curators is that they are largely women.)
Or the fact that most curators are not photographers? Curation is about selection and organization of something (in the case of this thread, photographic images). Must one be a photographer to do that effectively? My friend has selected and organized (curated) a lovely, stylish, somewhat unique closet of clothes and has an above-average knowledge of fashion history, yet does not sew....
What does the high percentage of women curators have to do with this topic? (It could be seen that you are implying that the problem with curators is that they are largely women.)
Or the fact that most curators are not photographers? Curation is about selection and organization of something (in the case of this thread, photographic images). Must one be a photographer to do that effectively? My friend has selected and organized (curated) a lovely, stylish, somewhat unique closet of clothes and has an above-average knowledge of fashion history, yet does not sew....
Whining feminists?? Seriously? To complain about a legitimate, pervasive problem is hardly whining. And while the Brooklyn Museum may have a majority of women, it is hardly the norm.Feminists constantly whine that there aren't enough women in congress, in corporate leadership, in certain career fields like engineering. They insist that women must be represented in these areas in proportion to their numbers in society as a whole, where women are slightly more than 50% of the population.
If women can complain that women are under-represented in some fields, then men have as much right to complain that men are under-represented in some fields.
Whining feminists?? Seriously? To complain about a legitimate, pervasive problem is hardly whining. And while the Brooklyn Museum may have a majority of women, it is hardly the norm.
According to a 2014 study “The Gender Gap in Art Museum Directorships,” conducted by the Association of Art Museum Directors (AAMD), female art-museum directors earn substantially less than their male counterparts, and upper-level positions are most often occupied by men. The good news is that, while in 2005 women ran 32 percent of the museums in the United States, they now run 42.6 percent—albeit mainly the ones with the smallest budgets. (http://www.artnews.com/2015/05/26/taking-the-measure-of-sexism-facts-figures-and-fixes/).
I have no doubt in my mind at all, that if there actually were more women curators we would be seeing an entirely different kind of art being exhibited.
Feminists constantly whine that there aren't enough women in congress, in corporate leadership, in certain career fields like engineering. They insist that women must be represented in these areas in proportion to their numbers in society as a whole, where women are slightly more than 50% of the population.
If women can complain that women are under-represented in some fields, then men have as much right to complain that men are under-represented in some fields.
you apparentlyhave it.I think the use of the term "documentary" is a little over-generalized here. To shoot in a documentary style is possible with -any- camera system, I do it with a Hasselblad on a tripod, I do it with a 4x5, and I do it with all my 35mm cameras. I would also hardly say that what is being shown at the higher echelon galleries is "documentary" at all. I see a lot of color. Color and appropriation. Take for example Gursky, or the bullshit wanker known as Richard Prince. Gursky is big color, Prince is big bullshit. I'm far more concerned about the people who -do- take all the considerations and time in the world to iron out an idea that was poorly conceived in the first place. Let the bad ideas bleed quickly, so that the photographers/artists producing them can evolve their talent to a higher level.
Digital flourished because it was convenient and accessible. Custom black and white photography became a reality for the every day snapshot shooter with digital, as well.
Also, any list of suggestions with a title as smarmy as that (and believe me, I've seen them), should immediately be ignored and filed under "useless".
I've never gained insight about the art world from anything like that, but from looking at actual artist books, as well as applying unrelated literary material into my beliefs and philosophies. I think reading Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead and picking up a camera as a result of not being able to draw fast enough, made me a better photographer than any of Saint Ansel's technical books ever would have...
Feminists are trying to address lack of opportunity and unequal pay for the same work; I'm not hearing demands for 50%+ representation. Got links to where women are "insisting" on that?
...Articles from the Washington Post, a generally liberal newspaper, and The Hill, a left-leaning political news site:
You gotta keep the categories. They increase your chances of winning!hi valierie !
if you ask me, the more women in positions of power and stature the better.
i know what you mean jim, there is always something to complain about and what i think is kind of funny
is sometimes i've seen the people who complain the loudest end up doing whatever it was they complained about the others not doing well
and they do it 10x worsegotta always keep them guessing is what i think. and i don't think there should be any categories
in these judged competitions cause as you saw, one person's landscape is another person's something else ..
YMMV
...
None of those sources contain any demands for 50% representation. Some did want movement towards pariety and see it as the end goal. The articles point out the obvious under-representation of women in gov't and many fields, and some give examples of social and governmental barriers that limit female participation.
Statistics do not 'whine'. But sometimes male privledge makes funny noises.
You gotta keep the categories. They increase your chances of winning!
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