But high prices actually put photography closer to the center, it was when it was further out on the periphery that it was affordable. It wasn't until photography became noticed by collectors and museums that prices started to skyrocket. Not that long ago, museums were buying prints from now legendary photographers for $25 each, and some even balked at that. There is an interesting book out on the phenomenon of the art world's lack of acceptance of new art styles or movements that was recently published: Picasso’s War: How Modern Art Came to America. In the '30s, the Museum of Modern Art wouldn't buy a single Matisse and even turned down Van Gogh's "Starry Night." And so it goes.of course photography is on the periphery... how often can you afford to buy a favorite, interesting, fantastic photograph?
any music fan can buy any song they want without having to pay the equivalent price of a guitar. Gallery's and their pricing has made photography beyond the reach of the average Joe.
We've made archival processing more important than enjoying, understanding, appreciating the image!
how many images of your favorite photographer(s) have you bought? Do you own?
high prices actually put photography closer to the center
Most people have never even thought about it. Meanwhile, we have had conceptual photography for 40-50 years where the photographer is in complete control. Maybe people whose knowledge starts and stops with HCB's Man Jumping Over Puddle (1930) think photography is about capture.In contrast, most people believe a true artist is in control of the art.
However, not many photos actually demand high prices. The list of "legendary" photographers is also short - and each of those photographers is normally known mostly for only a handful of photos.
Other than staged photographs (still-lifes, studio shots, actually posed photos), people don't really think photographers are in control over what they photograph. To most people, that means it's not art - it's a "capture". While people will acknowledge "capture" takes skill, they think of it more like someone with a butterfly net. You capture a butterfly and pin it to the wall - you didn't make it.
In contrast, most people believe a true artist is in control of the art. Some people even get surprised when they learn about things like the camera obscura and the fact that many artists trace or copy from photos - they feel that diminishes the art, that it's cheating.
After all, where is it in a digitally-assisted photo and who gets credit for the work produced by using the filters in Photoshop, the artist who selected them or the programmer who wrote them?
While I fully understand the issue of photography only ”capturing” what is there, HCB did tell us that it is more than just that and I fully agree.
Maybe people whose knowledge starts and stops with HCB's Man Jumping Over Puddle (1930) think photography is about capture.
Monet and his contemporary impressionistic artists used photography on its own and to help them make their paintings. So there is no line to blur.
I thought about this for awhile, but nothing was happening so I got a beer.
Now I'm on the periphery of sobriety and art. Perfect.
As I have thought about this topic quite a bit for the last half-dozen years or so, I decided to blur the distinctions by merging my photography with my drawings and see where that takes me. It’s been an interesting excursion. I tend toward the Surreal and the abstract and what I did was create cyanotypes on large sheets of drawing paper. After the coating, exposure, development/wash, and dry, I finish the image by drawing, either with graphite or pastel or a combination of them. I am quite happy with the results and will pursue this more in the future.
If you’d like to take a look at them, you can see them on my website here:
http://www.codecooker.com/projects_visual_arts/index.php?f=portals00
Right, it was just the first obviously "capture" photograph that popped into my head, so I used it as an example. Even though non-photographers may have no interest in photographers, I'll go out on a limb and say that most people have seen a couple of iconic photographs sometime during their life, which probably inform their opinion of what photography is about.Most people don't know who HCB is. Non-photographers usually have no interest in photographers.
I find it more interesting that Western Art thinks it is the center of human achievement. That it is the Art to judge all other Art by.
What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
The "Art World" is much bigger than most people think. That affects what one considers "periphery".
Yes, it is a ponder. I worked for a university art department for a couple decades (and add a decade before that as a volunteer). In that world, photography, along with graphic arts, is low on the art-pole...and painting is on top. We (the photo area) brought in the bucks (non-art majors taking classes) so were fairly well tolerated and supported (and I believe we were the third university in the USA to have a photography program under an art department). An interesting part of the Art World, which along with the SPE I do not miss (except helping students and the free use of some incredible facilities).I guess it depends on your view of the "art world." For some, it encompasses all forms of art and all who make it, sell it and display it. For others, its is the influential critics, collectors, galleries and museum curators (and trustees who approve the purchases) who determine the validity of what may be considered "art."
What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
The point is that the Western World likes to view art, architecture, history and culture through eyes of the west and looks down on Australian Aboriginal, New Zealand's Maori, and North America Indigenous art, amoung others, as inferior and unworthy. Exactly a part of being regulated to the periphery.
Interestingly, there was a movement in the late '60s called Photo Realism, where the painter would painstakingly reproduce a very obvious snapshot, but at a huge scale. So they were using highly developed artistic skills to reproduce "not art."To most people, that means it's not art - it's a "capture". While people will acknowledge "capture" takes skill, they think of it more like someone with a butterfly net. You capture a butterfly and pin it to the wall - you didn't make it.
Perhaps the Art World is like the world - no edge, so therefore no periphery.
it was just the first obviously "capture" photograph that popped into my head
The point is that the Western World likes to view art, architecture, history and culture through eyes of the west and looks down on Australian Aboriginal, New Zealand's Maori, and North America Indigenous art, amoung others, as inferior and unworthy. Exactly a part of being regulated to the periphery.
That is not universally true.
There is the whole trope of the noble savage.
There is naïveté, primalism and neoteny as strains and isms running through art. With foreign art as huge inspirations.
Kandinsky, Picasso, Chagall and Klee are famous progenitors.
Letrec, Van Gogh and impressionists was famously hugely inspired by Japanese woodblock prints (that in turn earlier was inspired by Dutch painting) and East Asian painting.
Islamic art has been very influential in a number of ways and at different times in different periods.
And of course Australian aporiginal art, as an example, is culturally simpler (in the most original and basic sense) and less culturally connected and involved.
Doesn’t make it less interesting or worthy though.
Some would even say, on the contrary.
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