APUG.ORG to PHOTRIO.COM Migration, Final Details.

[FujiLove]

I don't care what the forum is called. I'll keep the 'analogue only' box checked most of the time, and get on with things as before. I suspect most people will wonder what all the fuss was about after they have been using the new system for a few weeks.

Sean: do whatever you have to do to keep this wonderful community alive and well.

 

[removed account4]

apug.com was always the 'asia pacific utilities group', I own pretty

yeah i remember them ! they were wearing hard hats and so happy looking ...

 

[Sirius Glass]

I don't care what the forum is called. I'll keep the 'analogue only' box checked most of the time, and get on with things as before. I suspect most people will wonder what all the fuss was about after they have been using the new system for a few weeks.

Sean: do whatever you have to do to keep this wonderful community alive and well.

+1

 

[greg zinselmeier]

Apug is my "news" in photo, or THE "what's up" in photo or just plain entertainment, . . . . . I log in everyday, as I read the front page of politico, washington post and NYT. sometimes WSJ. sometimes craigslist

 

[faberryman]

And this is all great, but look at the date of my membership and realize that then that is what I got. Finally, a friend directed me to this site.

In addition, I should add that there is very little interest in APUG here, or any other photo site for that matter. Most are doing work themselves. See the GEH (now GEM) website. They offer a host of workshps, one in emulsion making this week and another in two weeks.

PE

I do work myself and I attend workshops, and still I visit here daily. Even though I have been at this for decades I can still pick things up and share any relevant knowledge. I suspect only a small subset of film photographers attend workshops at GEM or elsewhere due to time and expense. Those that are doing it themselves could benefit from the expertise here. They just need to find out about it. Having run a website myself, the most difficult part of it is attracting new members. Existing members need to spread the word. Relying on a Google search only goes so far.

 

[Eric Rose]

My general feeling is the site will obviously move towards hybrid processes since this is opening the floodgates and there are quite a few people doing hybrid things. Nothing really wrong with that. I doubt the digital only section will get much action aside from the people who are already here. I could be wrong. Some of us do have quite a lot of knowledge about things that aren't talked about already here, and that will come out I would assume. I expect for the first while, there will be a lot of action....

I wonder too if some of the people who have left over the years will be back.

APUG doesn't have a bad reputation of grumpy old men. You are thinking about the other site beginning with L.

Bang on Patrick. My sentiments exactly.

 

[ozphoto]

If the default setting were to be set at "Analog Only" when the migration happens, I'll bet most people won't even notice that there are an extra couple of areas on offer, for them, APUG will be the same as it always has been - totally analog.

If it looks and operates exactly as the current APUG, why should one even worry - no changes to the forum topics unless one chooses to make them, if no changes are made, nothing other than APUG will be visible.

Backend wise, I hope that the changes make a big impact for Sean, resulting in more subscribers (from all areas of photography) and donations to help keep this tremendous site running.

 

[CMoore]

I wonder how many people rarely log in because they stay logged-in all the time - as I do - that way I can immediately post a reply should I want to (though not often).

I'll miss my daily "fix" of APUG while you are down but look forward to more of the same on PHOTRIO - thank you, Sean.

Yeah...i did not realize this was an "issue" or that it was even Tracked/Counted. But i do not own a website, or even ponder that kind of "stuff".
Anyway.....i also stay logged in, for days, or even weeks at a time. I only have to Log In again if i have run some kind of scan that deletes that status. It kind of makes me curious.....why log in every day, why not just stay logged in 24/7.?

 

[Nige]

If the default setting were to be set at "Analog Only" when the migration happens, I'll bet most people won't even notice that there are an extra couple of areas on offer, for them, APUG will be the same as it always has been - totally analog.

not sure how that can be possible, unless the individual replies get filtered.

Example
Q. I've got a weird mark on my neg
A. Scan it and fix it in photoshop.

How's that going to be filtered out of the APUG view?

I can understand Sean wanting to make a living, but to think this move won't change the nature of this forum is naive. As always, time will tell!

 

[Sean]

not sure how that can be possible, unless the individual replies get filtered.

Example
Q. I've got a weird mark on my neg
A. Scan it and fix it in photoshop.

How's that going to be filtered out of the APUG view?

I can understand Sean wanting to make a living, but to think this move won't change the nature of this forum is naive. As always, time will tell!

We get this on APUG a lot already believe it or not. Posts like that get reported as "scanning" or "digital" and our mods remove it. Quite often it's an innocent mistake by a new member, and usually when the member's post is deleted and they are told to "take it to DPUG you don't belong here", they leave and never come back. One benefit we'll have on the new system is if someone posts a digital topic in the analog areas by accident, we can simply move it to the appropriate area without the usual dramas. We'll definitely need to expand our moderator teams, especially in the analog areas so anyone trying to crosspost digital content there is informed that it's 'not on'. Anyone abusing the system by crossposting, trolling or anything else can be removed. The analog areas should be considered by all as 100% analog and enforced the same way APUG was. All the scanning, digineg, photoshop etc can be discussed in the hybrid/digital areas.

 

[Nige]

I hope it all works out.

 

[Sean]

I hope it all works out.

In my testing, with only 'Analog' enabled it is practically identical to what we have right now. So worst case it should only be APUG with a different name. We'll see how it goes, I'm pretty happy with the software design.

 

[munz6869]

I've spent 13 years lurking and learnt loads, and met some jolly nice people (in real life!) from here too! What a valuable thing, and I am very pleased that Sean has persisted with this epic endeavour - I hope it thrives in the new form. My APUG T-shirt is just about disintegrated too, so that probably says it's time... I will continue to subscribe as long as (I'm able, and) there's bountiful analogue content!

Marc!

 

[peter k.]

My guess is much of the current APUG activity will move to the new hybrid section and there won't be that much going on in the analog section. If having three sections requires more $ in development and maintenance I wonder if it was a good idea financially, as opposed to just having a hybrid forum.

And loose all the totally analog users... get real

 

[Diapositivo]

Yeah...i did not realize this was an "issue" or that it was even Tracked/Counted. But i do not own a website, or even ponder that kind of "stuff".
Anyway.....i also stay logged in, for days, or even weeks at a time. I only have to Log In again if i have run some kind of scan that deletes that status. It kind of makes me curious.....why log in every day, why not just stay logged in 24/7.?

Supposing APUG is pure HTML, when you load a page your browser transmits your credentials to the server so that you don't have to type in the credentials. Even if your session expired, when you reload the page the credentials are transmitted again and a new session begins.

If that wasn't the case, the server would have to keep a huge number of sessions open. The server "purges" each session after a set amount of minutes without requests. The credentials are often stored in a cookie which will expire sooner or later so from time to time you will have to re-enter the credentials again. The credentials can also be stored by a mechanism of your web-browser.

[When you log-in, in that form, if you find a tick "keep me logged in" that means the server will send you a cookie with the next answer, and your browser will re-send that cookie at the next request, thus avoiding the explicit log-in with the form.
Even if you don't tick the "keep me logged" flag in the login form, your browser will probably ask you if you want it to remember the credentials for that site. That is a browser-based mechanism, which does not rely on cookies. In both cases, if you asked the server, or the browser, to remember your credentials, you will not have to log-in again because the browser will either do it for you or send a cookie to that effect. Both mechanisms must not be used when you are on a "public" computer, especially if you log in to your bank account! (or you web-based mail server etc.)].

The logging-in happens "under the hood" and you as a user might not be aware of it.

The server has no way to know if you are reading a page, or the state of your browser.
When you request a page, the server serves it and it then ignores (if it is pure HTTP/HTML site) your circumstances. You might close your browser and turn off your computer and the server would not know it. It would purge the session after the timeout.

APUG is not a pure HTTP/HTML site though, because while I am typing I am informed that there is a new "alert". There must be another communication channel open parallel to the pure "web" mechanism.

 

[peter k.]

Supposing APUG is pure HTML, .. ... APUG is not a pure HTTP/HTML site though, because while I am typing I am informed that there is a new "alert". There must be another communication channel open parallel to the pure "web" mechanism.

Thanks for that explanation, we always logged off thinking that we would 'overload' the site if many others were doing that. But habits are habits, hahaha ah ha.. and will log off again after this post, but have clarity that we don't have to do it.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I think you are right.

What I mean is, it seems to me many APUG participators are hybrid workers, and my guess is therefore that much of the action currently found on APUG will be in the hybrid section of Photrio.

 

[Bob Carnie]

Today I would estimate that hybrid accounts for 60 % of my business, strictly enlarger based prints maybe 10-15% and inkjet the balance. I have been completely surprised by the alternative print surge that I am seeing.
Also I would estimate that when I started my company 1991 , I was seeing 90% develop and contact BW film and we did alot, to about .5% these days, I have a brand new to me Jobo with very little Km on it.

 

[Eric Rose]

In reality I think the vast majority of APUG users shoot both digital and film. Some do that plus hybrid printing. I expect to see familiar faces on each forum. I like having the brain trust maintained in one location so if I have a digi question I can still stay with a familiar forum and people I know.

All my client work has been digital for many years. Have I amassed a fairly good grasp of digital image making, you bet. Has the APUG community been able to benefit from it? No. Each of us have gravitated to other forums for our digi needs. Now we hopefully won't have to. I would like to learn more about hybrid stuff but found the DPUG site to be a dead mule most of the time. With the new format I trust the hybrid section will be rejuvenated.

I applaud Sean!

 

[nmp]

I for one am happy with the possibility of the hybrid and analog under the same roof. I no longer will have to use code for the d-word. My interest is in analogue output, but I am agnostic on the input.

On a side note, I was wondering what the wisdom of not allowing the plain, unpaid members (like myself, currently) to see the images that are uploaded by subscribers. If I was a paying member, I would like to have my images be seen by as many people as possible. Any plan to change that policy with the new site? I would love to see all the wonderful work that I see only a glimpse of everyday on the right side of the page.

 

[Sean]

I for one am happy with the possibility of the hybrid and analog under the same roof. I no longer will have to use code for the d-word. My interest is in analogue output, but I am agnostic on the input.

On a side note, I was wondering what the wisdom of not allowing the plain, unpaid members (like myself, currently) to see the images that are uploaded by subscribers. If I was a paying member, I would like to have my images be seen by as many people as possible. Any plan to change that policy with the new site? I would love to see all the wonderful work that I see only a glimpse of everyday on the right side of the page.

It's definitely something I am considering for the new site. It would be open viewing for registered members, but not guests though. And we'll need to keep an eye on bandwidth usage.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Regarding my previous post here, I attended a GEM workshop as a guest today and asked the class members if they knew of APUG or if they were members. Only one knew of and was a member. I don't know how active he was or his screen name, due to the flow of the class, but this highlights what I was alluding to earlier. APUG is not widely known.

PE

 

[Eric Rose]

It's not widely known in your circles.

 

[eddie]

I promote it when I run into fellow film users. At art festivals I would write the address on the back of my business card. Not sure if many joined, but a few emailed me after checking it out.

Like others posting, I'm hoping the addition of a hybrid option will bring in more people. Aside from my personal interest in the prospect of hybrid alt work, I think hybrid film users will be the driving force in keeping manufacturing viable.

 

[nmp]

It's definitely something I am considering for the new site. It would be open viewing for registered members, but not guests though. And we'll need to keep an eye on bandwidth usage.

Thanks, Sean. Looking forward to the new site.