Any cheap 110 cameras with sharp lenses? Other than Pentax Auto 110?

WD4AON · Nov 17, 2020

Donald Qualls said:
Apparently, the Yankee Master II is still manufactured -- it adjusts to 16mm (as well as 35mm, 127, and 120). Rotary agitation only, but I've found recently that this works great with (at least Flexicolor) C-41, implying it's probably very good for B&W as well. Cheap, too, and only wants 5 ounces (about 150 ml) to cover 16mm; I may have to get one.

Donald,
Are you confusing the Yankee Clipper II with the Yankee Master series? The Master tanks are invertible, while the Clipper tanks are not. Note that many of us decry the recent Yankee Clipper II tanks' extremely poor fit. The original had a very good fit and included a generally accurate thermometer in its stirrer.
I urge followers of subminiature cameras to visit the 'Submini-L.groups.io' group which has undergone an upswing in interest.
Regards/73
Terry

WD4AON · Nov 17, 2020

RE: K Battery substitute in 110 cameras

Here is a copy of my recent 'Submini-L.groups.io' post on a 3D printed K battery substitute currently under design and test:

>> Hi All,
>> I am please to report on the K battery substitute. Further to:
>>
>> https://submini-l.groups.io/g/main/message/20808?p=,,,20,0,0,0::relevance,,posterid%3A1254921,20,2,160,7814597
>>
>> Greg recently produced a first sample, and I recently received it for
>> testing. I made the necessary contacts with adhesive-backed copper
>> foil, loaded the test device with three hearing aid batteries, and
>> inserted it in a new to me Kodak Pocket Instamatic 50 camera along
>> with a 110 cartridge reloaded with 16mm ORWO UN54+ film and shot a
>> test roll. I developed the film earlier today in Beutler 1+1+10 and
>> got nice negatives.
>>
>> There were some difficulties in getting the right frame spacing, but
>> for the most part, the exposures were right on with this test
>> arrangement. The new device is a single printed piece, so it does not
>> suffer from the fit and finish problem of the commercially available K
>> battery substitute.
>>
>> As a first test with a new to me camera, new battery substitute, and
>> new developer I was very pleased with the result. Not bad for a
>> nearly 50 year old consumer camera.
>>
>> The initial test model is being redesigned right now with capacity for
>> alternate batteries, including I hope a readily available rechargeable
>> 3.7V cell. It is well-known that the Kodak 30 to 60 models will
>> function correctly with battery voltage of 3V and above.
>>
>> Imagine all those K battery cameras being able to see renewed life!
>> Thanks Greg!
>>
Regards/73
Terry

Donald Qualls · Nov 17, 2020

WD4AON said:
Donald,
Are you confusing the Yankee Clipper II with the Yankee Master series? The Master tanks are invertible, while the Clipper tanks are not. Note that many of us decry the recent Yankee Clipper II tanks' extremely poor fit. The original had a very good fit and included a generally accurate thermometer in its stirrer.
I urge followers of subminiature cameras to visit the 'Submini-L.groups.io' group which has undergone an upswing in interest.
Regards/73
Terry

The one I saw was a B&H side bar ad, for new tank, with print on the outside instead of solid black. Black reel, rotary agitation, around $25 -- might have been a Clipper II instead of a Master. This one doesn't include a thermometer, just a rotation insert.

Edit: yep, Clipper II -- this one...

Cholentpot · Nov 17, 2020

Donald Qualls said:
The one I saw was a B&H side bar ad, for new tank, with print on the outside instead of solid black. Black reel, rotary agitation, around $25 -- might have been a Clipper II instead of a Master. This one doesn't include a thermometer, just a rotation insert.

Edit: yep, Clipper II -- this one...

You can find the Yankee Clipper that goes down to 16mm floating around on Ebay. I have a few of them. They're the best affordable solution to 16mm home development as far as I've found. If you're reeeaaally careful you can even develop a roll of 35mm in the same tank at the same time. I've done it, it works but either I've underfilled the tank or sloshed stuff out.

ProgramPlus · Nov 17, 2020

I have the Yankee Clipper II. I like the reel a lot. No ball bearings. It’s easy to load 110 for sure. I think I’ve done 35 mm in it too and believe the reel expands to 120 size to. Tank is extremely cheap, plasticky feeling which isn’t a problem. My only problem is that it drains slowly.

Huss · Nov 17, 2020

Rollei A110, Fukkatsu 400

What is interesting is that if you look at the image, it seems that it could be wider as there is image 'bleed'. But this format ratio has been predetermined.

MattKing · Nov 17, 2020

Huss said:
Rollei A110, Fukkatsu 400

What is interesting is that if you look at the image, it seems that it could be wider as there is image 'bleed'. But this format ratio has been predetermined.

110 film has those masks built in. I expect that was to accommodate some of the imprecision of some of the really inexpensive 110 cameras.

Donald Qualls · Nov 17, 2020

If you reload cassettes with random 16mm film, or film slit from another size, you won't have either the frame numbers or the pre-exposed borders and will get all of the image that the film gate passes.

Huss · Nov 17, 2020

WD4AON · Nov 17, 2020

Reply w/quote

Huss said:
Rollei A110, Fukkatsu 400
First, those pictures are really quite sharp for 110 size. The American flag is quite clear in frame 17.
Next, I measured my Minolta Autopak 450E frame size at 13+ by 19mm wide, a little wider than the width between the masking, so there will always be some overlap. Not a problem with reloaded cartridges.
Terry

What is interesting is that if you look at the image, it seems that it could be wider as there is image 'bleed'. But this format ratio has been predetermined.

Huss · Nov 17, 2020

You know, I forgot how much fun using 110 film is. It is fiddly to handle, but the Lomo Digitiliza film holder makes it manageable.
Only downside is my Ricoh FF1s is just a tiny bit bigger, but 35mm and also has a killer lens.

Huss · Nov 17, 2020

Showing how sharp the A110 Tessar lens is:

From above:

ic-racer · Nov 17, 2020

I have about 15 Rollei cameras (including the broken ones Ha ha!) but I have never had a 110A. You images look fantastic!

ciniframe · Nov 17, 2020

This whole discussion is getting me fired up to get a Minolta QT. Bigger frame than my 16II, manual control, and most importantly focusing lens! And no complicated loading.
Hope I can find one that works, at least mechanically, don't really care if the meters dead, probably wouldn't use it anyway.

Cholentpot · Nov 17, 2020

Donald Qualls said:
If you reload cassettes with random 16mm film, or film slit from another size, you won't have either the frame numbers or the pre-exposed borders and will get all of the image that the film gate passes.

I like the numbers and frames. Gives it that retro nostalgic look.

Instamatic 60, Fukkatsu 400

Patrick Robert James · Nov 17, 2020

If I ever get around to mixing up the color chems i've had sitting here for the last year and a half I'll post some pics.

Donald Qualls said:
The one I saw was a B&H side bar ad, for new tank, with print on the outside instead of solid black. Black reel, rotary agitation, around $25 -- might have been a Clipper II instead of a Master. This one doesn't include a thermometer, just a rotation insert.

Edit: yep, Clipper II -- this one...

I have one of the older Clipper tanks with the clear top if you are interested Donald. I also found some of my Omega D2 neg carriers for all the weird sizes that I'll never use and I know you were looking for those a while back. PM me if you are interested.

WD4AON · Nov 17, 2020

Patrick Robert James said:
If I ever get around to mixing up the color chems i've had sitting here for the last year and a half I'll post some pics.

I have one of the older Clipper tanks with the clear top if you are interested Donald. I also found some of my Omega D2 neg carriers for all the weird sizes that I'll never use and I know you were looking for those a while back. PM me if you are interested.

Hi all,
This discussion is kind of like comments on politicians: They are usually not as bad as theior opponents, nor as good as their supporters.
The original Yankee Clipper tanks by FR were very good. The Clipper II tanks are nowhere near as good as the old ones. I have a couple old ones, and several of the new ones (('s). The newer lids often don't fit, either to the reels or tanks, or both. The stirring rods often don't fit, or do but won't turn the reels inside. They can be very slow to drain, compared with many other tanks.
Here's what I do. First, I match the tops to the bases, without regard to whether the reels spin freely inside. Next, I don't sue short developing times; I usually use time of 7 minutes, minimum. That's to allow 20 seconds for the fluids to drain. And I start the timer as the last of the developer is poured into the tank.
Since none of the newer II tanks have reels that spin freely with the spinning rod, I don't rotate the reels in the tank for agitation. I forgot where I learned this, but someone once suggested that the tank can be agitated by passing it through a figure 8 motion, perhaps with a quick wrist twitch or stronger agitation. I also will tip the tank slightly as I pass it through the figure 8 in order to make sure the fluids slosh well.
In conclusion, the Clipper II tanks aren't very good, but they aren't completely useless POS either.
Regards/73
Terry

Huss · Nov 17, 2020

ic-racer said:
I have about 15 Rollei cameras (including the broken ones Ha ha!) but I have never had a 110A. You images look fantastic!

Thanks! Here's a limited edition one for the low low asking price of $3250!!! Yes, three thousand two hundred and fifty dollars.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLLEI-A11...356374?hash=item23e6d1ad16:g:k~cAAOSw0vVfYe0Y

ic-racer · Nov 18, 2020

Huss said:
Thanks! Here's a limited edition one for the low low asking price of $3250!!! Yes, three thousand two hundred and fifty dollars.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLLEI-A11...356374?hash=item23e6d1ad16:g:k~cAAOSw0vVfYe0Y

Darn, wish I would have seen that, I just bought a Hy6

Craig75 · Nov 18, 2020

Killing it with that rollei.

Huss · Nov 18, 2020

ic-racer said:
Darn, wish I would have seen that, I just bought a Hy6

lol. A 110 film camera that goes for about $50 for $3250 because it has brown paint. It would be incredible if it sold.

ciniframe · Nov 18, 2020

Just FYI 16mm shooters, I see that Film Photography Project store is selling 25ft. rolls of 16mm no perf film for $35 each. That is $2.20 a roll for a regular 20exp roll for Minolta cameras. Not the cheapest solution for B&W negative, but perhaps okay for those wanting to try out subminiature cameras without going whole hog. They offer color negative and ortho also.

WD4AON · Nov 18, 2020

Huss said:
lol. A 110 film camera that goes for about $50 for $3250 because it has brown paint. It would be incredible if it sold.

That model was custom prepared for the Bitter Motor Car company and was included in their glove compartments. The cars were extremely expensive and thus few were made, making that model camera very rare.
Regards/73
Terry

WD4AON · Nov 18, 2020

ciniframe said:
Just FYI 16mm shooters, I see that Film Photography Project store is selling 25ft. rolls of 16mm no perf film for $35 each. That is $2.20 a roll for a regular 20exp roll for Minolta cameras. Not the cheapest solution for B&W negative, but perhaps okay for those wanting to try out subminiature cameras without going whole hog. They offer color negative and ortho also.

Hi All,
A 100 ft roll of ORWO UN54+ 1R perf, ISO 100 BW film sells for about $50. It is a very good film with full tonal range. That's four times as much film for about twice as much cost - about 60 cents a roll for Minolta 16mm cameras.. I really like it; it reminds me of the old Verichrome Pan, and is just as good as Plus-X #7231.
Regards/73
Terry

Craig75 · Nov 18, 2020

WD4AON said:
That model was custom prepared for the Bitter Motor Car company and was included in their glove compartments. The cars were extremely expensive and thus few were made, making that model camera very rare.
Regards/73
Terry

what's your favourite submini shooter Terry? (you're obviously a big fan of the genre)

Any cheap 110 cameras with sharp lenses? Other than Pentax Auto 110?

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