A brand new Super 8 camera from Kodak?

Ken Nadvornick · Jan 11, 2016

Michael and Roger,

Single PM sent to both of you...

If you like, we can continue this off-topic discussion in private and without the background noise. Unfortunately, we've already dragged the thread topic pretty far away from Super 8, where against all odds it sounds like Kodak may actually be doing something more than just discontinuing additional products. And that's actually a very interesting topic all by itself these days.

Ken

cmacd123 · Jan 11, 2016

MattKing said:
- someone with good instincts, a good "eye" and a cinematic vision can let the camera and film do its work, and concentrate on the moviemaking.
Seems like a great way to teach new, would be filmmakers.

I believe that is one of the places that Super 8 does fit into a film school program. I have heard more than once of this assignment:

1) here is a super8 camera and one roll of film.
2) here is a story outline.
3) you have this group of 2-or 3 or 4 students.
4) you have the weekend, to plan and shoot the story.
5) you will hand in the cartridge, and the next time you see it will be in class along with everyones results SO you have to get the exposure right, have to edit in camera, have to plan your story out.
6) the results will be critiqued in Class for XYZ% of your mark for everyone in your group....

Talk about teaching folks to think on their feet, and work together.

Roger Cole · Jan 11, 2016

Ken Nadvornick said:
Michael and Roger,

Single PM sent to both of you...

If you like, we can continue this off-topic discussion in private and without the background noise. Unfortunately, we've already dragged the thread topic pretty far away from Super 8, where against all odds it sounds like Kodak may actually be doing something more than just discontinuing additional products. And that's actually a very interesting topic all by itself these days.

Ken

Got it, reply later. And you're right.

I just see this particular camera, at this price and with this particular type of processing at this price, to be of minimal use to, well, almost anyone except film schools. But if it's a big enough hit - if it lead to E6 Super 8 coming back, that would be awesome. And then as long as they are coating E6 again..

It does mean they are behind film, but cinema film is the one remaining area where some pretty big money - some producers - are still behind film as well.

MattKing · Jan 11, 2016

Of course, it is only with respect to cinema film that Eastman Kodak has any remaining involvement with marketing...

Theo Sulphate · Jan 11, 2016

cmacd123 said:
I believe that is one of the places that Super 8 does fit into a film school program. I have heard more than once of this assignment:

1) here is a super8 camera and one roll of film.
2) here is a story outline.
3) you have this group of 2-or 3 or 4 students.
4) you have the weekend, to plan and shoot the story.
5) you will hand in the cartridge, and the next time you see it will be in class along with everyones results SO you have to get the exposure right, have to edit in camera, have to plan your story out.
6) the results will be critiqued in Class for XYZ% of your mark for everyone in your group....

Talk about teaching folks to think on their feet, and work together.

I like that type of assignment. It would be interesting and even fun to see how the different groups do.

removed account4 · Jan 12, 2016

where does one get super8 mm film processed these days ?
when i was shooting 16+8mm i was able to drop it off at walmart or sam's club
and fuji would send it to dwaynes and it only cost around $5 to process (& splice if it was 8mm)
one of them was sent to switzerland. one could ( and probably still can ) buy film and a processing mailer
from prep film services in michigan. he sold all sorts of film, and if you didn't want to have him process it for you
you could just buy the film without processing. its been a long time, not even sure if that guy is still doing it.
is john schwind ( international film brokers ) still the best place to get film ?

does dwaynes still process cine film?
locally we have cine lab in new bedford mass, they do mass quantities, im not sure about short runs.

AgX · Jan 12, 2016

No industry cine lab I know lists processing of S-8 film. Typically small enterprises from the S-8 world take care of processing.

MDR · Jan 12, 2016

Agx is right Super 8 is mostly processed by small companies that often also offer respooled films under their Label like Kahl or Andec in Germany for instance or in the US you have Dwayne's of Kodachrome Fame that processes Super8 Color film. For DI and telecines Cinelicious is the best adress not the cheapest on though they do and did work for major Hollywood Movies hence the price. Kodak has a list of film processing labs on its Website http://motion.kodak.com/motion/support/laboratories_directory/index.htm?blitz=off

Derek Lofgreen · Jan 12, 2016

In the U.S. there are few labs that process super 8. Maybe 6 that I know of. I have mine done at Pro8mm in Burbank, CA. I just sent a few cartridges over last week and they actually called me today to make sure that what I ordered is what I actually wanted. Great customer service.

D.

cmacd123 · Jan 12, 2016

I know these guys do just about any Movie stuff .. http://niagaracustomlab.com/?page_id=21

Theo Sulphate · Jan 12, 2016

Derek Lofgreen said:
... Pro8mm in Burbank, CA. I just sent a few cartridges over last week and they actually called me today to make sure that what I ordered is what I actually wanted. Great customer service.

D.

Thanks for the reference to them - I'm seriously interested in what they have.

pbromaghin · Jan 13, 2016

Rather than start a new thread, I'll post it here. An interview with Kodak CEO Jeff Clarke about the new camera:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Iba3_Qolk

MattKing · Jan 13, 2016

pbromaghin said:
Rather than start a new thread, I'll post it here. An interview with Kodak CEO Jeff Clarke about the new camera:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Iba3_Qolk

Thanks.

"Film is 10% of our revenues" - interesting.

pbromaghin · Jan 13, 2016

Interview explaining the camera by a Kodak rep at CES 2016. He says it is just the first product in the "new consumer film ecosystem". That is getting interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-AwhYOHZE

cmacd123 · Jan 14, 2016

pbromaghin said:
Interview explaining the camera by a Kodak rep at CES 2016. He says it is just the first product in the "new consumer film ecosystem". That is getting interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-AwhYOHZE

I wonder what the folks at Kodak Alaris think about THAT statement.

skorpiius · Jan 14, 2016

cmacd123 said:
I wonder what the folks at Kodak Alaris think about THAT statement.

So if I buy a roll of Kodak Gold or Portra, am I buying it from Eastman Kodak or Kodak Alaris?

skorpiius · Jan 14, 2016

MattKing said:
Thanks.

"Film is 10% of our revenues" - interesting.

I wonder if that's good for film, or bad for the rest of the company?

But historically film has been a hugely profitable venture, so if they've been able to get their production scaled down to meet the new lower demand, I suppose it could be again.

pbromaghin · Jan 14, 2016

skorpiius said:
So if I buy a roll of Kodak Gold or Portra, am I buying it from Eastman Kodak or Kodak Alaris?

Yes.

Photo Engineer · Jan 14, 2016

skorpiius said:
So if I buy a roll of Kodak Gold or Portra, am I buying it from Eastman Kodak or Kodak Alaris?

Yes.

MattKing · Jan 14, 2016

If you buy an iPhone, are you buying it from Apple or from Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd., trading as Foxconn Technology Group?

kb3lms · Jan 14, 2016

skorpiius · Jan 14, 2016

MattKing said:
If you buy an iPhone, are you buying it from Apple or from Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd., trading as Foxconn Technology Group?

Apple.

Alan Klein · Jan 14, 2016

Who actually makes Portra, Ektar and Tmax? Where is the factory?

Who makes film for the Super 8 and where is the factory?

Who makes Vision 3 film and where is the factory?

fdonadio · Jan 14, 2016

I bought an iPhone from a mobile operator. It was designed by Apple, but it was made by Hon Hai (a.k.a. Foxconn)... Confusing, eh?

MattKing · Jan 14, 2016

Alan Klein said:
Who actually makes Portra, Ektar and Tmax? Where is the factory?

Who makes film for the Super 8 and where is the factory?

Who makes Vision 3 film and where is the factory?

Who markets and controls pricing and distribution and advertising for Portra, Ektar and Tmax? Kodak Alaris

Who markets and controls pricing and distribution and advertising for Vision 3 film and will control pricing and distribution and advertising for Super 8? Eastman Kodak

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