2014 ULF and Custom Film Manufacture From ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

[Ken Nadvornick]

...you can always ask and I will always tell you the reason why...

Amazing patience. Sometimes it's only that first part that's really required, just to let people feel better about the situation.



Ken

 

[Regular Rod]

Dear Regular Rod,

Our reseller partners do not hold stock of ULF or custom sizes ( very, very rarely anyway, one or two in the USA may on occasion ) its why we have to all pre-order it and why we have to go through this
exacting process every year.

And to confirm we will not be making PAN F + sheet film or DELTA Professional 3200 in sheet film on the ULF run, or at anytime, you can always ask and I will always tell you the reason why, and in this case its simple the price we would need to charge to make a return on our investment, would be in the region of 4 to 5 times the cost of FP4+ or HP5+ PER SHEET ( I have done the math ) and thats a price very few customers would be prepared to pay, and quite frankly, I don't blame them.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Dear Simon

Thank you for that. I managed to buy 6.5 x 8.5 HP5 plus and Delta 100 a couple of months ago from Silverprint, so I imagine they felt it was worth stocking for such as me to come along and buy without pre-ordering. As for the PAN F Plus in sheet sizes, I gave up on that at the November tour of your wonderful operation. I suppose one day someone may offer a slow film again in sheet sizes and we will form an orderly queue when that happens...

Keep up the good work and stay solvent so you can continue to look after us in the same excellent way that you do now.



RR

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

Dear Simon

Thank you for that. I managed to buy 6.5 x 8.5 HP5 plus and Delta 100 a couple of months ago from Silverprint, so I imagine they felt it was worth stocking for such as me to come along and buy without pre-ordering. As for the PAN F Plus in sheet sizes, I gave up on that at the November tour of your wonderful operation. I suppose one day someone may offer a slow film again in sheet sizes and we will form an orderly queue when that happens...

Keep up the good work and stay solvent so you can continue to look after us in the same excellent way that you do now.



RR

Just as material for thought. What is it you seek in a low speed film in sheets, such as Pan-F+? It mustn't be the grain since films like Delta 100 exist in sheet film, and nobody can argue that the grain isn't fine enough. Resolution is top notch too.

I'm guessing here about your motives, but all that's left for me is film speed, and if that's the case it's very simple to slow down your existing film (even HP5+) to virtually any EI you want, by employing neutral density filters. EI 400 to EI 25 is four stops. Get a four stop ND filter. The end.

What else is there to achieve with a slower film in sheet film sizes?

 

[Regular Rod]

Just as material for thought. What is it you seek in a low speed film in sheets, such as Pan-F+? It mustn't be the grain since films like Delta 100 exist in sheet film, and nobody can argue that the grain isn't fine enough. Resolution is top notch too.

I'm guessing here about your motives, but all that's left for me is film speed, and if that's the case it's very simple to slow down your existing film (even HP5+) to virtually any EI you want, by employing neutral density filters. EI 400 to EI 25 is four stops. Get a four stop ND filter. The end.

What else is there to achieve with a slower film in sheet film sizes?

It's an unwillingness to change Thomas. Having worked a certain way off and on since 1959, tried digital etc. and returned to film and then seeing maker after maker dropping films (and papers) from their ranges and then finding the 'fridge is getting lower and lower on stocks of the precious..

Some of us like the way traditional films work. The S curve still has a lot going for it.

Have you tried the new Rollei RPX 25?

Anyway, like I said earlier, since the November visit to Harman, I've given up on the hope of ever having PAN F Plus in sheets. I have bought Delta 100 and will manage with it for now. I bless IFORD (Harman) every time I load up with its products.

Nevertheless, I still miss the old films from companies that now seem to have vanished for ever.

If I want to get really depressed I start to think about papers...


RR

 

[Anon Ymous]

...Some of us like the way traditional films work. The S curve still has a lot going for it...

The curve of a negative can be manipulated to a large extent by adjusting agitation intervals, especially when using more dilute developer. A more dilute developer will be exhausted sooner locally, at the highlights, and reduced agitation will not bring fresher developer as quick as say agitation every 30'' or 1'. This way, you can get more pronounced shoulder, and effectively an S curve.

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

It's an unwillingness to change Thomas. Having worked a certain way off and on since 1959, tried digital etc. and returned to film and then seeing maker after maker dropping films (and papers) from their ranges and then finding the 'fridge is getting lower and lower on stocks of the precious..

Some of us like the way traditional films work. The S curve still has a lot going for it.

Have you tried the new Rollei RPX 25?

I understand about changing.

The S-curve can be obtained with other films. Delta 100 would be an excellent candidate, FP4+ even better. For your normal contrast scene, expose the film a little bit less than you normally would. Then use a dilute developer such as Rodinal, D76 1:3, or Xtol 1:3 perhaps, and develop the film longer. Use long agitation intervals, like every three minutes, and you will be able, with some fine tuning, to create a similar S-shaped tone curve that is inherent in the Pan-F+ emulsion.
I have done it, and still do it, on a regular basis. Easy peasy.

I use only one film, so I have no interest in trying a new emulsion, but I hope you have lots of fun with the Rollei.

 

[StoneNYC]

I understand about changing.

The S-curve can be obtained with other films. Delta 100 would be an excellent candidate, FP4+ even better. For your normal contrast scene, expose the film a little bit less than you normally would. Then use a dilute developer such as Rodinal, D76 1:3, or Xtol 1:3 perhaps, and develop the film longer. Use long agitation intervals, like every three minutes, and you will be able, with some fine tuning, to create a similar S-shaped tone curve that is inherent in the Pan-F+ emulsion.
I have done it, and still do it, on a regular basis. Easy peasy.

I use only one film, so I have no interest in trying a new emulsion, but I hope you have lots of fun with the Rollei.

For me it's about consistency, and grain becomes a factor in smaller film formats, and now that I've switched to JOBO processing for consistency and ease of developing etc etc, I could develop 12 rolls of PanF+ at once or a combination of 35mm, 120, and 4x5 (if it existed) and could be standardized on that film for all my modeling work which is what PanF+ is good for to me. But now I have to learn a whole new film for 4x5 and have another development run and can't shoot the same exposure with multiple cameras unless I abandon PanF+ entirely for Delta100 which I don't like as much for modeling.

Those are only some of the reasons.

But now that I'm done "experimenting" I'm happy to shoot with only 2 films. And would prefer PanF+ and HP5+ be my two... But that doesn't work for sheet film, so D100 it is... That means I'll be one of the many that no longer purchases PanF+ and the numbers dwindle... Someday there won't be enough and it will go away but not because it's not popular but because it doesn't transcend all formats...

 

[Curt]

"Have you tried the new Rollei RPX 25?"

Yes! Excellent!!

 

[StoneNYC]

"Have you tried the new Rollei RPX 25?"

Yes! Excellent!!

I would but it's too expensive in the states.

 

[Regular Rod]

"Have you tried the new Rollei RPX 25?"

Yes! Excellent!!

Yes it really is excellent. It lays beautifully flat too. So far every frame has been printable for me. It was very easy to get used to. Now if it came along in sheet sizes too...


RR

 

[Curt]

Yes it really is excellent. It lays beautifully flat too. So far every frame has been printable for me. It was very easy to get used to. Now if it came along in sheet sizes too...


RR

Sheets would be great, especially for Carbon Transfer.

The cost is good, that shows how I feel about this 25 ISO speed film.

 

[Dr Croubie]

And to confirm we will not be making PAN F + sheet film or DELTA Professional 3200 in sheet film on the ULF run, or at anytime, you can always ask and I will always tell you the reason why, and in this case its simple the price we would need to charge to make a return on our investment, would be in the region of 4 to 5 times the cost of FP4+ or HP5+ PER SHEET ( I have done the math ) and thats a price very few customers would be prepared to pay, and quite frankly, I don't blame them.

Thanks Simon, I've read about the re-jigging of the slitting machine and I know all about EoS.
Although, B+H are selling FP4 and HP5 for about $1.25 in 100-packs and $1.32 in 25-packs. 5x that is only $6.50. Still (just) cheaper than Velvia and still (just) something I'd be willing to pay for D3200.
But I can certainly understand that I'm very much in the minority here and there wouldn't be too many others who'd pay that (although, with the demise of FP3000B, there's nothing left at all for us high-speed shooters, maybe demand might be higher in a few years? [/wishfulthinking])
One day when I win the lottery I'll fund an MOQ myself, but until then I'll just have to learn to push HP5...

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

When I win the lottery I'm going to anonymously purchase a brand spanking new 220 machine for Simon...

Oops. Did I just out myself?

Dang! I hate it when that happens.



Ken

 

[MattKing]

From whom?

 

[Xmas]

When Kodak burns you could buy their 220 packer for fire sale price if they have not scrapped it first.

But it is not that difficult to make up 220 in home dark room by recycling 120 backing paper, using scissors, double sided pressure sensitive tape and felt tipped pen.

A 100 foot roll of film in black poly bag and cardboard box is about 19-20 off 220 films.

But how much would a reseller want?

 

[hacked - sepiareverb]

HP5+ is much more versatile of a film, I thought the same thing as you do, but you could probably still use it at 200 and pull the film? I've never tried 100 and pulling 2 stops but I suppose it's possible, HP5+ is magic.

And if they are going to use any other film for cameras "back in the day" that took slow film, it would be PanF+ wouldn't it?

HP5+ has remarkable latitude, perhaps the widest of any film made today. I have times to shoot it at ISO 50 for extreme contrast reduction with Microdol-X/Perceptol. And I've shot the same film at 1600.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

When Kodak burns you could buy their 220 packer for fire sale price if they have not scrapped it first.

Truly, let's hope it doesn't come to that. I plan on just buying a new one anyway.

Ken

 

[Xmas]

Truly, let's hope it doesn't come to that. I plan on just buying a new one anyway.

Ken

who do you think makes 220 packers nowadays?

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I believe the number quoted a while back by Harman for a new one was 300,000+ GBP. So presumably they can be one-off manufactured. My lottery winnings should easily cover that...



Ken

 

[StoneNYC]

I believe the number quoted a while back by Harman for a new one was 300,000+ GBP. So presumably they can be one-off manufactured. My lottery winnings should easily cover that...



Ken

Don't forget to get me a full set of Chamonix... 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, 11x14, and 20x24 please... I think the other sizes would probably be excessive those should do nicely, and of course lenses to compliment, and some film stock and a new constant temp freezer that will hold all the film you'll get me... Including custom 20x24 Velvia50....

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Including custom 20x24 Velvia50....

Usher! Remove that man from the theater please. This is a Harman/Ilford ULF film thread...

:eek:

Ken

 

[Shalom]

Biggest issue is re-rolling backing paper. It's degrading fast, I wish ilford was able to make 127/116 backing paper rolls...

Or you could do this.

Top = Kodak's; bottom = mine.



Just gotta make sure you cover the gaps between the slices with opaque tape (or skinnier slices of backing paper). Helps to have a local lab who saves it for me. Not sure how I'm gonna get the frame numbers in the right places yet.

In any case, 127 is unnecessary, you can just slit down 120.

(edit: kind of looks like a necktie, doesn't it?)

 

[Xmas]

Or you could do this.

Top = Kodak's; bottom = mine.

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Just gotta make sure you cover the gaps between the slices with opaque tape (or skinnier slices of backing paper). Helps to have a local lab who saves it for me. Not sure how I'm gonna get the frame numbers in the right places yet.

In any case, 127 is unnecessary, you can just slit down 120.

(edit: kind of looks like a necktie, doesn't it?)

Good craft shop for all black paper and white China ink?

 

[Xmas]

Don't forget to get me a full set of Chamonix... 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, 11x14, and 20x24 please... I think the other sizes would probably be excessive those should do nicely, and of course lenses to compliment, and some film stock and a new constant temp freezer that will hold all the film you'll get me... Including custom 20x24 Velvia50....

Was
'
Don't forget to get me a full set of Chamonix... 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, 11x14
'
should have been
'
Don't forget to also get me a full set of Chamonix... 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, 11x14
'
or you could write to Santa Clause as Rudulph still does SD one day a year for good boys and girls

 

[Xmas]

For me it's about consistency, and grain becomes a factor in smaller film formats, and now that I've switched to JOBO processing for consistency and ease of developing etc etc, I could develop 12 rolls of PanF+ at once or a combination of 35mm, 120, and 4x5 (if it existed) and could be standardized on that film for all my modeling work which is what PanF+ is good for to me. But now I have to learn a whole new film for 4x5 and have another development run and can't shoot the same exposure with multiple cameras unless I abandon PanF+ entirely for Delta100 which I don't like as much for modeling.

Those are only some of the reasons.

But now that I'm done "experimenting" I'm happy to shoot with only 2 films. And would prefer PanF+ and HP5+ be my two... But that doesn't work for sheet film, so D100 it is... That means I'll be one of the many that no longer purchases PanF+ and the numbers dwindle... Someday there won't be enough and it will go away but not because it's not popular but because it doesn't transcend all formats...

shoot delta100 at 25 ISO and soup in solvent developer to keep the ISO the same & process in two batches

you should not have switched to a rotary tank compromises edge effect and grain - some say...

keep shooting panf or buy larger fridge