Ηelp for my new camera - Zeiss Icon 9x12 plate camera

[Donald Qualls]

Already i bought a nice icon tripod, and im looking for a logical price for a shatter realise, and of course the glass holder

For function, the cable release socket on those old Compur etc. shutters is the same as modern ones. Nearly all photo retailers (online) sell them, and they're all over eBay. Now, if you want an original Zeiss cable release from the 1920s, that'll be a bit of a search...

 

[coll]

Ι understant!
Thank you!
I prefer an original one ,and it is easy to find at good price if im patient!
I found some inormation in German .
I think it has to do with the plate holder and the suitable codes!
I will try to upload a photo later.
Maybe somebody can help me exactly to my problem ( To know and choose the suitable code of the metal glass holder i need)!
As amateur this is the most inportant for my start!!
Thanks

 

[Donald Qualls]

If you haven't already, you should also read this thread on 9x12 plate holders; it may have the Ica/Zeiss part numbers you need for that Ideal.

 

[coll]

well
if you see down at the page there are codes 728\3... 728 \6 737\12.... 737\13.
Are all that 4 codes proper for my 9x12?
Ofcaurse we are talking about the original ones !
Can you understand which code is for my camera?
I hope the link is ok unless i will try again

https://postimg.cc/Cz3vttkj

 

[Donald Qualls]

Those are likely different ages of the holders. If they're all listed for Ideal, they're all correct. Might be different minor features, like different pressure springs (to hold the plate in the correct position), different dark slide design, etc.

 

[coll]

Τhis is very important because i can find a proper and original one!
My poor knowledge do not allow me to choose any other not original just for a seller photo!
I never had one on my hand,so i can not realise differences or proper similarities between cameras and holder.
So that was really important for a start!

Thank you Donald for your patience!
I know it was difficult this conversation with me ,as I can not even recognize a camera from a coffee machine!

 

[lobitar]

well
if you see down at the page there are codes 728\3... 728 \6 737\12.... 737\13.
Are all that 4 codes proper for my 9x12?
Ofcaurse we are talking about the original ones !
Can you understand which code is for my camera?
I hope the link is ok unless i will try again

https://postimg.cc/Cz3vttkj

The number behind the / indicates the size, i.e.: 3 = 6x9, 7=9x12, 9=10x15 and 11=13x18 - the numbers 6 and 12 and 13 I don't know.

 

[coll]

Ops!
Bad news!

 

[coll]

Well i guss you are right!
As i said to my firs post i have heard that 726/7 was ok.
Now it make sense!
Thanks Lobitar

 

[coll]

Hello dear friends.
Just in case sommebody has problem on finding the original proper glass plate holder about 9x12 cameras as i want to help , haeI will mention that....

1.Taxo and Volta share the same code 665/7
2.Maximar, Donata and Trona share the codes
665/7 + 668/7
3 Tropen Adoro needs 666/7+ 669/7.

I Wiss the best for you.

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

During the long production period Zeiss Ikon changed the naming convention of the Ideal (and other types of folding camera's). The last range of camera's had the following numbers (these camera's had more rivited parts in stead of screws/bolts):
camera > plateholder
250/3 (6.5 x 9cm),
250/7 (9 x 12cm), > 726/7
250/9 (10 x 15cm) and
250/11 (13 x 18cm).

The earlier models (just after the merger with ICA in 1926/27) had a different numbering taken from ICA:
camera > plateholder
111 > 726/3 (6.5 x 9cm),
246 > 726/6 (9 x 12cm),
225 > 726/6 (9 x 12cm), older model camera: 205
325 > 737/12 (10 x 15cm),
385 > 737/13 (13 x 18cm),
651 > 726/4 (6x13cm stereo) and
650 > 726/10 (9x18cm stereo).

(the Ica catalogue from 1919 mentions plateholders with the number 727/6 for the Ideal 9x12 cameras (the 205 and 246), but this seems a misprint since the pages with the different holders only mention nr. 726/6.)

The 225 and 246 series for 9x12 format take the 726/6 plateholders (728/6 for filmpacks)
I don't know whether the 250 serie takes the same format plateholders as the early series, but to go safe I would opt for the 726/7 holders.

The system is not always as straightforward as it might seem at first site: e.g. I had the ICA and Zeiss Ikon favorit folding camera, which were identical but could be choosen with different backs; one took slide in plateholders, the other the so-called pop-on pop-off holders.

 

[coll]

I know this photo ,the price is as if you are buying the camera too....

It is secure for sure 726/7 and 728/7 but more seldom.
I just ordered one ikon 667/7 film pack holder and as i have the 250/7 i hope to be lucky!
In programm to find a glass holder at least between 665/7 and 667/7 because i have seen photos with that clipped back!

Thank you friend from the colorful Nederland!

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

I know this photo ,the price is as if you are buying the camera too....

It is secure for sure 726/7 and 728/7 but more semldom.
I just ordered oneikon 667/7 film pack holder and as i i ha the 250/7 i hope to be lucky!
In programm to find a glass holder at least between 665/7 and 667/7 because i have seen photos with that clipped back!

Better do not buy filmpackholders, since filmpacks are not made anymore and they can not contain sheetfilm.
Btw the filmpack holder for your camera has number 728/6 or 728/7. Your camera does not take slide in holders :-(
I don't have any info that 667 holders might fit an Ideal camera.

and yes, some holders are more rare than the cameras e.g. the double wooden plateholders for 9x12 from ICA or Zeiss Ikon, very rare these days. They can also be used with the Ideal 246. I paid for some holders about 50 USD > without them I couldn't use my camera's...think about that. Camera's without matching holders come at a much lower price....

Did you take a look at the German Ebay site? search for Zeiss Ikon Kassetten or ICA Kassetten or Planfilm Kassetten.

 

[coll]

I hope not because it is on way...
As i have mentioned i saw picture with 250/7 wearing back this film pack.667/7.
Anyway difficult to find 9x12 film and even if i order glass plates nobody can make it picture for me around here.
For starters just i want some suitable assesories

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

I hope not because it is on way...
As i have mentioned i saw picture with 250/7 wearing back this film pack.667/7.
Anyway difficult to find 9x12 film and even if i order glass plates nobody can make it picture for me around here.
For starters just i want some suitable assesories

Better not start with glass plates (at least I wouldn't advise to use them at all - the ones now made are not very sensitive and might not have even filmlayers; and further are very pricy). Better start using sheet film; you can buy them quite easily. Please note that for sheet film you have to use metal film inlays (sheats) in your filmholders that will hold the sheet film (see below pic) and try FOMAPAN film.

 

[coll]

At ebay de , there is no 726/7 or 728/7, and nowhere at this time in good condition and price.
Only some filmpack cassette like that I have ordered and I hope it will fit.
One filmpack cassette and one glass plate holder are just for fun.
I didn't know that it was possible to find 9x12 film so I have to thank you for FOMAPAN.
Do you know which holder's code number can use FOMAPAN? Because I think Ikon was giving an adaptor (like your photo726/7 to make it suitable for film use.
So maybe you mean 726/7 with the seat inside...
Thank you

 

[coll]

Does anybody know if shutter release from more recent models like prontor or some others I have seen with a red button, are suitable for old Ikon models?

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

At ebay de , there is no 726/7 or 728/7, and nowhere at this time in good condition and price.
Only some filmpack cassette like that I have ordered and I hope it will fit.
One filmpack cassette and one glass plate holder are just for fun.
I didn't know that it was possible to find 9x12 film so I have to thank you for FOMAPAN.
Do you know which holder's code number can use FOMAPAN? Because I think Ikon was giving an adaptor (like your photo726/7 to make it suitable for film use.
So maybe you mean 726/7 with the seat inside...
Thank you

The metal inlays are very thin and are a compensation for the thickness of the glass plate. Plateholder 726/7 takes inlays for 9x12 film and FOMAPAN will fit the inlays.

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

Does anybody know if shutter release from more recent models like prontor or some others I have seen with a red button, are suitable for old Ikon models?

1. Please start a new thread for this question since it is a different question than the current thread about plateholders for your ideal camera (and then please describe what you mean with "shutter release")

2. Please change the title of this thread to a more specific title so other readers in future can more easily find answers to your questions: for instance : Which plateholder for a Zeis Ikon Ideal 9x12

 

[MattKing]

Please change the title of this thread to a more specific title so other readers in future can more easily find answers to your questions: for instance : Which plateholder for a Zeis Ikon Ideal 9x12

I've done a bit of that for the OP, who would have been out of time for making a thread title edit

 

[coll]

1. Please start a new thread for this question since it is a different question than the current thread about plateholders for your ideal camera (and then please describe what you mean with "shutter release")

2. Please change the title of this thread to a more specific title so other readers in future can more easily find answers to your questions: for instance : Which plateholder for a Zeis Ikon Ideal 9x12

Well you are right one more question about holders before opening new tread for shatter release.
Is there any trick or any idea to unload the film holder from the sheet film? Or it is necessary for sure to need one holder for every picture!

P.s
Difficult to change title but i will look for.

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

well done, thanks

 

[Donald Qualls]

The 225 and 246 series for 9x12 format take the 726/6 plateholders (728/6 for filmpacks)
I don't know whether the 250 serie takes the same format plateholders as the early series, but to go safe I would opt for the 726/7 holders.

I have an Ica 225 and a Zeiss 250/7, and a dozen plate holders (don't recall offhand if they even have Zeiss or Ica number on them) that all fit both cameras, as does the one ground glass panel I have with glass in it. As far as I've been able to tell, the mounts on the cameras are dimensionally and operationally identical.

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

I have an Ica 225 and a Zeiss 250/7, and a dozen plate holders (don't recall offhand if they even have Zeiss or Ica number on them) that all fit both cameras, as does the one ground glass panel I have with glass in it. As far as I've been able to tell, the mounts on the cameras are dimensionally and operationally identical.

Thanks for this informative info: good to establish that the older and newer series take the same holders ...

( btw the 10x15 model is very rare, and the 13x18 model is even more rare...just a few (only ICA, no Zeiss) are shown on internet:
https://www.collection-appareils.fr/x/html/camera-2442-Ica_Ideal.html and
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ica-ideal-385-13x18cm-plate-camera-76702053 )
...and one for sale in ......Ukraine: https://meshok.net/item/77526277_Форматная_камера_13х18_Ideal_385

 

[Ian Grant]

I've just sold 4 Hüttig 9x12 plate holders, they made the Ideal, before merging to form ICA and later Zeiss Ikon. I posted an image of edge fits in this thread. I should add they fitted the Zeiss Ikon perfectly.

Ian