Yashica Half 17 Rapid, Part II - 3D Printed Rapid Cassettes and First Test Photos

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Alexo

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Hello again !

This is a continuation of this article: Yashica Half 17 Rapid, sticky shutter complete teardown and rebuild

One of the problems with the Rapid system is finding cassettes. The camera I bought came with one, so I thought it would be possible to 3D print some cassettes with the correct tab lengths, corresponding with the ASA I usually shoot with, which are 400 and 125.

Here are the results of my first test...

(NOTE: This is a work in progress and will need a lot of work to get right but for being the first try, I am very satisfied with results).

Step 1: Obtained the original STLs from here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5843148


I printed a few, but quickly realized that it's almost impossible for plastic to withstand the pressure of the backdoor spring clips, that were designed to keep the original metal cassettes in place. So I hacked the design and came up with this first working prototype:

Step 2: Hacked the original design in my favourite 3D CAD: (Shaprd3D on iPad)

I removed the original fixed tab and created a better slope, so that the camera's lever is fully pressed inwards (unlocked), before it is pressed downwards.
I left a pocket to later glue tab, which I printed separately.
Also, I designed a pickup lip which maintain an opening large enough for the film to pass onto the pickup spool. Without this, the plastic gets squeezed shut, and the film gets ruined.

Step 3: Print and Assemble the Cassettes:

a) Cut and separate about 15mm of the upper lip from the shut side:

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b) Glue the Tab using a good PLA glue. I use SciGrip 16 Acrylics because it's the only glue I have found that glues PLA like a steel weld.

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c) Glue a piece of felt on the inner lip of the cassette using contact cement. Make sure you don't saturate the felt but only speak glue thinly on the surface only.
NOTE: Although the felt worked OK, I need to find a better material than felt that doesn't release fibres and that doesn't absorb glue.

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d) Glue a piece of felt to the inner film spring with contact cement. As in the previous step, you must wait at least 10 mins for the contact cement to fully dry before pressing on to the part.

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e) Glue the spring to the main body of the cassette. Label the finished cassette according to the tab length you printed. In this case it's a 3.5mm tab corresponding to ASA 125

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f) For the pickup cassette, follow the same procedure above as if making an ASA 400 (6mm tab) but without felt. Then glue the pickup lip as shown:


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Step 4: Load the Film in a Loading Bag

Load 45 cm of film in a light proof loading bag just by pushing it into the cassette. I tried to load more, but it didn't work and 45cm is the limit for this design, which will give you 24 half frame shots (which was the natural capacity of these cameras anyway).

RESULTS

As mentioned at the beginning, I was not expecting much from this first experiment. I just wanted to test the camera and see if actually took good pictures after the overhaul and if the flash unit was actually firing in correct sync. I was honestly impressed at the results because I got 22 good frames with very little wasted film.

The cassettes did not do so well and heavily deformed after 2 days under pressure from the springs. I may have to modify the camera itself to use these plastic cassettes, or work on a completely new design. Also, the felt was very dirty so I need to find something better. Overall, the experiment was a success and I will continue to iterate over this and perfect it over time.

I will post the pictures as a reply to this thread because of the 15 image limit..

Enjoy, and Merry Christmas !

--
Alex
 
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Photos 1 thru 10

Here are the sample pictures of the very first experiment with 3D printed Rapid cassettes using generic PLA.
You can see some scratches that I think were made by the pickup cassette under pressure from the original springs.
NOTE: there are NOT enlarged on paper. They are just scans on a cheap negative scanner at 10MB

No flash, low light trusting the camera's meter:
PICT0001.JPG
Bright morning, camera meter
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Idem:
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Another one of the dog later on the day, hadn't moved !!
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Overcast morning, using camera meter:
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Disaster area after the rebuild, no flash, using camera meter:
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Christmas tree, flash test 1, all lights off in room:
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Idem, flash test 2:
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Sunny morning, using camera meter:
PICT0003.JPG

Same morning, hallway, using camera meter:
PICT0002.JPG
 
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Photos 11 thru 19

Here are the sample pictures of the very first experiment with 3D printed Rapid cassettes using generic PLA.
You can see some scratches that I think were made by the pickup cassette under pressure from the original springs.
NOTE: there are NOT enlarged on paper. They are just scans on a cheap negative scanner at 10MB

Highway, about 100km/h (~60mi/h), taken by my daughter, first time using this camera using the built-in meter:
PICT0011.JPG
Moon at dusk, not very good but meter seems spot on:
PICT0012.JPG
Sunset snap, using camera meter:
PICT0013.JPG
Same place dusk, camera meter:
PICT0014.JPG
Idem, not sure why I took it twice, maybe it was a bit later, I don't remember:
PICT0015.JPG
Fluorescent lighting at night, no flash using camera meter:
PICT0016.JPG
Testing bokeh, glass at 0.8m fully open 1.7f, no flash, soft LED lighting, trusting camera meter:
PICT0017.JPG
Same picture, but with flash:

PICT0018.JPG
This was the last frame on the roll. Since my film loading is custom (only 22 frames) the last 3 pictures got overlapped:
PICT0019.JPG

Honestly I am impressed that after 60 years, this camera takes such good pictures, even with my improvised 3D printed cassettes. There's a lot of room for improvement but I can say I am officially in love with the Yashica Half 17 Rapid !

Best,

--
Alex


 
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Hello again !

This is a continuation of this article: Yashica Half 17 Rapid, sticky shutter complete teardown and rebuild

One of the problems with the Rapid system is finding cassettes. The camera I bought came with one, so I thought it would be possible to 3D print some cassettes with the correct tab lengths, corresponding with the ASA I usually shoot with, which are 400 and 125.

Here are the results of my first test...

(NOTE: This is a work in progress and will need a lot of work to get right but for being the first try, I am very satisfied with results).

Step 1: Obtained the original STLs from here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5843148


I printed a few, but quickly realized that it's almost impossible for plastic to withstand the pressure of the backdoor spring clips, that were designed to keep the original metal cassettes in place. So I hacked the design and came up with this first working prototype:

Step 2: Hacked the original design in my favourite 3D CAD: (Shaprd3D on iPad)

I removed the original fixed tab and created a better slope, so that the camera's lever is fully pressed inwards (unlocked), before it is pressed downwards.
I left a pocket to later glue tab, which I printed separately.
Also, I designed a pickup lip which maintain an opening large enough for the film to pass onto the pickup spool. Without this, the plastic gets squeezed shut, and the film gets ruined.

Step 3: Print and Assemble the Cassettes:

a) Cut and separate about 15mm of the upper lip from the shut side:

View attachment 357557 View attachment 357558

b) Glue the Tab using a good PLA glue. I use SciGrip 16 Acrylics because it's the only glue I have found that glues PLA like a steel weld.

View attachment 357559

c) Glue a piece of felt on the inner lip of the cassette using contact cement. Make sure you don't saturate the felt but only speak glue thinly on the surface only.
NOTE: Although the felt worked OK, I need to find a better material than felt that doesn't release fibres and that doesn't absorb glue.

View attachment 357563

d) Glue a piece of felt to the inner film spring with contact cement. As in the previous step, you must wait at least 10 mins for the contact cement to fully dry before pressing on to the part.

View attachment 357564


e) Glue the spring to the main body of the cassette. Label the finished cassette according to the tab length you printed. In this case it's a 3.5mm tab corresponding to ASA 125

View attachment 357565 View attachment 357566 View attachment 357567

f) For the pickup cassette, follow the same procedure above as if making an ASA 400 (6mm tab) but without felt. Then glue the pickup lip as shown:


View attachment 357568


Step 4: Load the Film in a Loading Bag

Load 45 cm of film in a light proof loading bag just by pushing it into the cassette. I tried to load more, but it didn't work and 45cm is the limit for this design, which will give you 24 half frame shots (which was the natural capacity of these cameras anyway).

RESULTS

As mentioned at the beginning, I was not expecting much from this first experiment. I just wanted to test the camera and see if actually took good pictures after the overhaul and if the flash unit was actually firing in correct sync. I was honestly impressed at the results because I got 22 good frames with very little wasted film.

The cassettes did not do so well and heavily deformed after 2 days under pressure from the springs. I may have to modify the camera itself to use these plastic cassettes, or work on a completely new design. Also, the felt was very dirty so I need to find something better. Overall, the experiment was a success and I will continue to iterate over this and perfect it over time.

I will post the pictures as a reply to this thread because of the 15 image limit..

Enjoy, and Merry Christmas !

--
Alex

Great Job Alex. if you find a way to manufacture, then you would have a passive income.
 
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Great Job Alex. if you find a way to manufacture, then you would have a passive income.

I don't think there's enough demand for re-usable rapid cassettes to make it worthwhile, although people on Ebay want some crazy prices for them.

I'm currently working on the second prototype which is simpler, but in any case I will open source the design.

Best,

--
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Here are the sample pictures of the very first experiment with 3D printed Rapid cassettes using generic PLA.
You can see some scratches that I think were made by the pickup cassette under pressure from the original springs.
NOTE: there are NOT enlarged on paper. They are just scans on a cheap negative scanner at 10MB

Highway, about 100km/h (~60mi/h), taken by my daughter, first time using this camera using the built-in meter:
View attachment 357595
Moon at dusk, not very good but meter seems spot on:
View attachment 357596
Sunset snap, using camera meter:
View attachment 357597
Same place dusk, camera meter:
View attachment 357598
Idem, not sure why I took it twice, maybe it was a bit later, I don't remember:
View attachment 357599
Fluorescent lighting at night, no flash using camera meter:
View attachment 357600
Testing bokeh, glass at 0.8m fully open 1.7f, no flash, soft LED lighting, trusting camera meter:
View attachment 357601
Same picture, but with flash:

View attachment 357602
This was the last frame on the roll. Since my film loading is custom (only 22 frames) the last 3 pictures got overlapped:
View attachment 357603

Honestly I am impressed that after 60 years, this camera takes such good pictures, even with my improvised 3D printed cassettes. There's a lot of room for improvement but I can say I am officially in love with the Yashica Half 17 Rapid !

Best,

--
Alex

This looks great. I’m trying to encourage my niece who has expressed an interest in analog photography (well, at least analog at the camera end) and thought a trip down memory lane might excite her interest. Have you any thoughts on a bulk film reloading approach that I could help her explore?
 

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Has anyone ever seen a list of RAPID cassette cameras? I've never searched, but maybe there is a website or forum -- in addition to a list. I know there were several 3r5mm half-frame cameras that used the RAPID cassette (Canon, Yashica, Agfa, Fuji, Mamiya, Olympus), as well as many (undoubtedly more) full-frame 35mm cameras.
 
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I have this idea floating around my head, in the form of a kit, similar to the pinhole camera kit I've seen that uses a syringe to create something similar to a polaroid experience (https://www.pinstacamera.com/). Because these RAPID cartridges (at least the ones I print and can roll by hand) can only practically load about 50cm of film, I was trying to imagine a system where you could offload the rapid into a flat 50cm container where you could add a pre-bagged set of of chemicals and develop the film on the spot. That, 50cm case would then slide into another similar apparatus that could print 10x7.5mm prints. The focal point for this is quite small so I think it could all be 3D printed with black matt ASA. Anyway, just some crazy thoughts, but that is how RepRap printers actually started: with a community of folks working on the crazy idea of making an open source 3D printing platform.
With this system I have envisioned, you could use any half-frame RAPID and repurpose them for on the go snapping and developing.
 
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