Wich cameras you think is necessary on a collection and why?

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I don't think anyone is "supposed" to do anything, nor did I say so.

If I am using the cameras, I don't consider myself a collector. A "collector" to me is someone who buys/hordes things only because they are valuable or of historical note, and then just stows them in climate-controlled rooms as curiosities or monetary investments. So that is the context of my statement.

For instance, people doing this with old guitars have driven the prices into fantasy land for most actual players, and it makes me sick. One collector in particular, Norman Harris, is almost singlehandedly responsible for sending the value of vintage Stratocasters on their current course, during the late '70's and '80's (when the guitars in question were barely 25 years old at most). He scooped up all the Strats he could find, from all over the country. He had guys scouring pawn shops across the U.S.A. By hording and greatly contributing to the mystique of the instruments, he took a small emerging market and injected it with steroids, selling mostly to crazy overseas investors who don't even play guitar, but wanted one of each color from each year just because they could. It is sad; most of the best electric guitars ever made SURVIVED LARGELY INTACT AND PLAYABLE, yet will never be played again. It's ironic because when old guitars first became slightly collectible/valuable, it was largely because both Fender and Gibson had been bought by large corporations in the mid-to-late '60's, and had almost immediately started making really mediocre electric guitars. The older ones were truly "better" in every way...and that means "better" as musical instruments. The irony is twofold: 1) Nowadays, people even consider many of the terrible guitars from the Dark Ages to be collectible/valuable in their own right. They just don't get that old does not necessarily equal good, and that the whole reason the vintage guitar market came to be in the first place is because of those terrible guitars they are now paying thousands for as "vintage" pieces. 2) Both Fender and Gibson made turnarounds, and have been making high quality brand new instruments for over 20 years, so the original reason for the vintage guitars rising in value in the first place has been nullified.

There are only a few cameras that I have got for collector reasons, thinking that they were more investments than tools. A Linhof III version 4 original three lens kit, and an original Rolleiflex Wide Angle in near mint condition that I found in a local thrift shop.
 

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I am not so sure the OP is using the word in the same way. Reading his posts I might be wrong but I am not so sure English is his first language.
I have a collection of cameras that I use. I have collected the cameras that best serve my needs.
I have a collection of beer bottles on the back porch.
Excuse me while I collect my things and go to work now.

Dennis
 

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It seems from the OP's statements that they are looking to make a "users" collection. In that case, get ready to constantly be broke in the money department. No matter how great a camera is or is said to be, it's no good to you unless it feels good to you and you are happy with the results it gives. I have spent years buying cameras because they look cool, heard they were the best, or just because I came across them. I shoot it and more times than not, I find myself turning around and selling it to someone else because it just didn't suit ME. This is how you will get your user's collection. And, if my experience holds true, you will sell them for much less than you paid. However, that is not to say you didn't spend your money wisely. I have shot some pretty cool cameras that did not work out for me and in the long run it was a cheap way to find the real gems that I love. My collection as it is, is now made on my mood of the day. I feel like shooting today, look upon my shelf and pick what seems to be fun for that trip.

A couple of trips ago, I took a Yashica-mat LM and a Toyo 45G to North Carolina. Hiked the 4x5 to the top of the mountain, shot the TLR around the house and city. Last trip to NYC, Mini speed graphic with two different backs, 1-6x9, 1- 6x6. Fun all around. Just make use of them.

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So, if we start collecting Kodak Instamatics it will drive their price up and we can all get rich selling them on eBay?
 

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One can be a "collector" and a user at the same time. I use all my cameras at one time or another.
 

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There are three cameras that really made a difference to the history of photography:

Graflex speed graphic
Nikon f
Hassleblad 6x6

Im not a fan of leicas or rollies, as they were mostly the toys of the rich, not artists.
 

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So, if we start collecting Kodak Instamatics it will drive their price up and we can all get rich selling them on eBay?

No. They have to be good cameras at first...better than what you can buy today (not true - you cannot even go to the store and buy film for them, for one thing). Then they have to be relatively low in production, such that they can be made to all but disappear from pawn shops and yard sales simply by hording (not true). Then you have to sell the line that they are great and rare, and anybody who is anybody needs one in red and one in blue (probably possible).

So, that cannot be done with your example, but certainly with some vintage cameras.
 

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"If I am using the cameras, I don't consider myself a collector. A "collector" to me is someone who buys/hordes things only because they are valuable or of historical note, and then just stows them in climate-controlled rooms as curiosities or monetary investments."

With more than 500 cameras, I know I am a collector. I do, however, use them. Well .... maybe not all of them but more than half. I do add to the collection cameras which I intend to use (one day:whistling:).

The OP did say he intends to collect cameras he can use: perhaps not all of them.

OP -- take a look at fixed lens rangefinders such as those marketed in the 60's and 70' by Minolta (Hi-Matic 7, 9 or 11) and Yashica. They have terrific lenses and are for the most part quite affordable.
 

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No. They have to be good cameras at first...better than what you can buy today (not true - you cannot even go to the store and buy film for them, for one thing). Then they have to be relatively low in production, such that they can be made to all but disappear from pawn shops and yard sales simply by hording (not true). Then you have to sell the line that they are great and rare, and anybody who is anybody needs one in red and one in blue (probably possible).

So, that cannot be done with your example, but certainly with some vintage cameras.

So glad you explained that to me. I was about to buy a dumpster full of Mick-A-Matics.
 

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Of course, any camera collection should have a LeCoultre Compass.

And a Carbon Infinity.

I'm not a collector, so I don't have the Compass - and my Carbon Infinity is in use. BTW, it's the camera shown in the link, bought from Christophe Metairie. :wink:
 
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here's what I intended.....

I would go for price and functionality.
Nikon: F. F2. F2AS. F3 F4. FE, FM, F100, FM3A, F90X
Minolta: XD-11, SRT-101
Leica: IIIf, M3
Contax: IIa
Olympus: OM-1, OM-1n, OM-2, OM-2n, OM-4Ti, Epic
Hasselblad 500 CM
Mamiya RB6X7 Pro S
Mamiya 645
Bronica: EC, EC-TL, SQ-Ai
Canon: F-1, New F-1, A-1, EF
Yashica: Electro 35 CSN, MG-1, FX-3, Lynx 14e

This is a nice example of what I intended on this thread.... Everyone like some cameras, some other not, also a list with only one is well accepted.... Thanks....
 

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I bought a Praktica IV in 1963 In San francisco. It was stamped "USSR Occupied Germany" on the top. They were freely available then. Very roughly made.
 

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No camera collection could ever be considered complete without a fully working example of all the possible Sinar permutations ever produced (including an individual set up for each lens from the ranges of Schneider, Rodenstock and Nikkor).

Then, once that's complete, you should do the same with Linhof...
 

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granddady of crop-cams

Any collection should include the Olympus Pen FT half-frame SLR...
 

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collectible cameras

Nikon made a camera, I think in the 70's, called a 35ti which supposedly had a lens that was spectacular, even better than the 28ti and cheaper. Don't know what kind of batteries it took though. For a starter on a collection, you might consider the Argus C 3 which was ahead of it's time.

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The 35Ti is a rangefinder. I almost bought one, they are a great camera.
 

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If the idea is to collect and not shoot, or only shoot once in awhile, don't waste your money. I see huge collections being sold off every year for less then the expense in collecting the items when the person dies, or upon insolvency for whatever reason to pay bills and eat. If you want to shoot analog and buy into a lineup that may increase in value, or at least maintain value, then that would probably be mint condition mechanical Leica M's, and probably Nikon rangefinders, but rangefinders are a whole different beast then a SLR for a photographer and not everybody takes to them. Truthfully, in collecting in photography, great lenses maintain their values better then bodies most of the time.
Personally, instead of collecting cameras, collect memories of traveling to photograph. Get a camera that suits you and a couple of lenses and spend the rest of your money using it to photograph places you've always wanted to go to. It's not what you can put on a shelf and admire, it's the experiences of life that are more valuable.
 

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There are three cameras that really made a difference to the history of photography:

Graflex speed graphic
Nikon f
Hassleblad 6x6

Im not a fan of leicas or rollies, as they were mostly the toys of the rich, not artists.

Leica and Rollei made their formats acceptable so that Nikon and Hassleblad could succeed. The cost of my Leica M4 and five lenses comes to a very few dollars a month when spread out over 40+ years of service. That's no rich boy's toy, but a much better investment for a photographer than today's DSLR.
 

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No such thing as an investment if you plan on using it, every time its off the shelf its subject to wear and chance of damage.
true, its unlikely that todays dslr plastic blobs will be worth anything down the road, we've already seen what happens with AF 35mm slrs. A beat to death manual camera will bring more than a 90s AF slr.
The saving grace with digital is that it medium is not in danger of being discontinued anytime soon and therefore destroying any value it has.
Proper batteries for Nikon Fs etc is why the prices on them is staying low and F2's are staying up there, stop film production and all film cameras value will go through the floor overnight.
 

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Only cameras you like are required in a collection surely? If I had a particular dislike for Leicas, I should not feel compelled to collect them simply because they are "legendary". I agree with others though, it seems a shame to collect cameras which don't get used *at all*, so start with the ones you'd like to use.
 

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An excellent observation. A fine silver print is worth more than the camera that took it.

A lot of truth in that statement, but equipment still holds people interest and fascination. I don't think its in the best interest of the hobby to discourage collecting.Its all part of it.
Its a free market, if you to buy then buy, if you don't want to buy then don't, but don't criticize those who choose to collect cameras.
 
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