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Scott,

Roughly how much digital are you using compared to film? I tend to think of your medium format work / lomo 6x12 / large format, from what you've posted here. Didn't you use a Contax G2 at one point, perhaps the Fuji has replaced this?

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I'm doing 80-90% medium and large format film, with the majority of that being medium format. The Fuji was bought to replace the Canon 5D because the 5D was A: getting long in the tooth and the quality of image was lacking in comparison to more modern cameras, and B: hauling it around was an ordeal - it was heavy, as were the lenses for it, plus the flash, plus the vertical grip, etc etc. I did have a Contax G2 plus lenses, and while it was a wonderful system, I had effectively moved away from 35mm film so there wasn't much beyond nostalgia keeping it around.
 

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I'm doing 80-90% medium and large format film, with the majority of that being medium format. The Fuji was bought to replace the Canon 5D because the 5D was A: getting long in the tooth and the quality of image was lacking in comparison to more modern cameras, and B: hauling it around was an ordeal - it was heavy, as were the lenses for it, plus the flash, plus the vertical grip, etc etc. I did have a Contax G2 plus lenses, and while it was a wonderful system, I had effectively moved away from 35mm film so there wasn't much beyond nostalgia keeping it around.

Canon 5D was blown away by 5D2 and subsequent Canons. fwiw.
 

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Nicely timed inquiry. As a geezer who's thrown in the towel on non-Nikon stuff and just decided its easier to have one set of lenses to use on different gear using the same mount, I share the objective and in the last few weeks been shipping off gear, and taking in new. I call it rationalizing and yeah.... it's all about compromise. Had some AI-s lenses until I realized the 3-year-old grand daughter was most likely going to be better captured with a series of AF/D's (24/50/105 - 'cause you can take manual focus out of the boy, but you can't take prime out of his lightweight rides). Yeah. And so the Contax went out, and in came some Nikon with an FM2n, F100 and D750 on the way - all from KEH.

Thinking seriously of ditching the Sony A7r2 and Zeiss Loxia lenses, too. Researched the Nikon Z's and decided to snooze on that until they figure it out a bit more. Like the intention, but both Fuji and Sony had to figure their ways around, and they have a bit of a leap ahead at the moment. FWIW, Fuji is nice and 24MP is fine even on their APS-C's - fine enough to produce beautiful prints from JPEGs at 17 X 22. Didn't think it would work, but it did (thanks to tools like Epson's SC800 and some hard work in post). That said, I don't think at the end of the day, you'll be all that happy with adapted lenses. I'm not even happy with Nikon's plastic tennis cans.... the glass is fine, but put it in an aluminum tube and my fingers would like it better. Ah.... the compromises we make? Yep.

I'm more willing to compromise on the body than the lens, and yet here I am, and pushing myself back towards some digital that ain't an iPhone. If you don't see it as primary and film remaining your main deal, then maybe you can live with it. But why not wait for round two? Sony A7's were quickly superceded and Fuji was no slouch in pushing to trade up either. Neither Sony nor Fuji are as good as their fans nor as bad as their detractors. They're all fine. The one thing that could change the Z-appeal might be if the lenses kept the ability to manually focus, or maybe Zeiss kicked their Loxia-type line over there. But I'd wait. Mirrorless is nice for constant view... but maybe I'm weird (maybe?) but I don't really chimp or use the rear screen, and so the virtues are continuous view and silent shutter. Not to be sniffed at.... that's what we do RF's for usually. But as context, I'm trying to hold the whole camera thing to $1,000 these days unless there's a real reason.... and so I'm actually a fan of used digital... or digital's that's NOT the latest and greatest but getting superceded (witness the willingness to do a D750). Film remains my love, and I'm shooting mostly MF, but with a move, remodel, and a bit of chaos over the next few months, more inclined to deal with some 35mm and digital again.... of necessity with a Jobo, Coolscan, and all the rest in storage. So Nikon feels like going full circle... and the F100 my (probably fruitless) effort to resist the sweet looking specs on the F6.... which seems to be out and about for about a grand and posts all the shooting data most film cameras miss - if you don't have a pen and notebook.

Bottom line: Throw my hat in with the wait crowd.... or sell it to me when you're done.
 

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The Z6 and Z7 are first generation mirrorless platforms for existing Nikon lens owners. Recent lens owners, at that. It's difficult to think of another reason for buying one, but that alone will be sufficient for many. My digital needs are taken care of by Panasonic's M4/3, but if I was going full frame I'd opt for the Panasonic S1 over the Nikon or Sony. The build quality, menu system and layout are excellent and highly evolved from their 4/3 cameras. I'm not prepared to carry a camera body or lenses that size, or indeed pay the asking price.
 

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I guess if I had your current kit I would get a D610 to augment what you have,same sensor size as the D700 and new hardware/firmware.
 
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Nikon Z6, lens adapter and 24-70 f/4 now on order. As I've posted before, one is best off not looking too closely at a gift horse in the mouth. But what I've read (and I've read it ALL) convinced me this camera with its "new" mirrorless system, is a good buy for this ageing photographer with (limited but ever-growing) mobility problems and a dislike of having to carry too much gear in the field. I mean, my backpack can take only so much.

The Df was briefly considered but fell by the way side, a nice camera but. But. Many buts. Too much deja vu there.

These days with increasingly limited time to deal with my life's work, I struggle with the nagging thought that the Z6 may well be my last digital camera purchase. At my age other photo-related interests are now clamoring for my attention, and at some time in the future I will have to make the BIG decision to stop shooting so much and to actually sit down and deal with my photo archives of many tens of thousands of images. The film scanning time will use up a cat's entire supply of lives and is something I'm definitely not looking forward to, but needs must.

I do look forward to future outings with my new Z6 kit. Delivery is anticipated in about four weeks ex-Melbourne. At which time I may put up the two D700s for sale - maybe. I'm very fond of that pair. The D90 we will keep for casual outings and family events, admittedly it'snow seen as thoroughly antiquated but it continues to produce darned good results for its age and (by today's advanced digistandards) exceptionally good images. I have after all sold several hundred D90 images to book publishers, including some used as two page full spreads in quality books. Very much a Go Figure situation.
 

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I took one out as a loaner at a certain conference last week. A good camera, nice files, I wasn't very fond of the zoom locking closed though (on the 24-70). Nice build quality, excellent EVF, though still an EVF. Can't say how it would handle fast action, but the VF didn't noticeably lag or black out in my use. Personally I prefer an OVF. Not everyone agrees there.

As for the adapter...

I wasn't too impressed. You don't get auto aperture with AF-d or MF glass. With my AF-d 180 mounted the aperture stops down to whatever you set it to. (Setting it via the camera wheel after locking the aperture ring.) This takes me back to my main complaint using adapted glass on fuji - despite the MF aids it's still too easy to miss critical focus if you're doing it stopped down. And while opening up to focus then closing down to take the shot is doable sometimes, it's impractical in many situations and takes us back to the 1960s technologically.

So, because I like Nikon generally, and it handles (in terms of menus and physical control layout) a great deal like my D700 (and others I've owned/shot) I'd be inclined to pick it if in the market for mirrorless. I wouldn't be inclined to use it as a second body in an F-Mount system. YMMV.

I did speak to the rep who loaned me the gear about my experiences with the aperture. He confirmed it was operating as designed and I was using it correctly. He said with an AF-S lens auto aperture functions, I didn't have one with me to try.
 

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I use AF-D (and ais) lenses on film bodies (F4, F801s)

Sorry if going off topic - I also have a F4(s) and F801. The F4s mostly stays on the shelf due to it's bulk, how does the F4 with the MB-20 compare to the F801 ?
Thanks.
 
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Don, Since you shoot a lot of architecture, you might consider a digital setup with tilts, rise and falls etc. Clyde Butcher who now shoots digital, uses a Cambo Actus setup that allows this. It's connected to a Sony A7R and medium format lenses. But I'm sure Cambo has setups for other cameras. Wouldn't a setup like this take your shooting up a notch especially with buildings you shoot all the time?
See the bottom right of this link for Clyde's technical info on this setup.
https://clydebutcher.com/about-the-artist/technical-information/
 
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Don, Since you shoot a lot of architecture, you might consider a digital setup with tilts, rise and falls etc.

For my travel purposes, this would be entirely too heavy. When in Asia I travel mostly by express buses and now and then to get to isolated places, a rented car and driver, usually a very small vehicle with at most room for one or two people and a few bags. Airline baggage/cabin bag limitations also need to be considered.

I also considered PC-Nikkors, but decided not to make the big $$ investment in buying the two I would have wanted. My D lenses do the job for me and don't take up much space of add extra weight to my kit.

Most of my architecture shoots are of one- and two-storey buildings and with a little planning and care, I'm able to get the resuts I want without having too many accessories on hand - I no longer even use a tripod. In the tropics (also in Australia), I've found the harsh light to be more a problem than any other factor.

To return to my OP, one of the (several) important reasons for my decision to move to the Z6 doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this thread so far. For me, the Z6's electronic viewfinder is very kind to my ageing, tired eyes. Much more so than the D700, which I found a big improvement on earlier Nikon DSLRs when I bought my first one in 2012.

There are also other reasons, but this was an important factor in my choosing this camera.

Alan, many thanks for the Butcher link. I will check it out when time allows.
 
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Sorry if going off topic - I also have a F4(s) and F801. The F4s mostly stays on the shelf due to it's bulk, how does the F4 with the MB-20 compare to the F801 ?
Thanks.
Still a size up from the F801, but I do take the F4 on vacation, because it's such a nice camera to use. It's a manageable camera, and fits most (larger) camera bags, something that becomes harder with portrait grips.
 
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