Why not 2 baths developer only?

john_s

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I think Lachlan considers many developers to be D76 derivatives. In a post last year he states that Pyrocat is a D76 derivative too.

 
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! PC-512 looks interesting. I'm going to read that thread. I'm sure I'll have a question about it soon.

Definitely try PC-512, it's a wonderful developer. Presently I am mostly using it as my go to developer.
 

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many developers to be D76 derivatives.

It's about the developing agent relationships. The buffering and target pH were being played around with by Kodak etc from day 1.

PQ offers some potential inherent benefits for film development that MQ doesn't. Most of the purported effects of the staining developers come from the effects of either high dilution metol-only developers or the effects of a PQ type (Catechol being an isomer of HQ) at particular pH's. This has been seemingly well known in the industry for a long time (and the couplers produced by the agents used to produce 'stain' were well investigated too), but never percolated out to the popular press, who instead seem to have preferred to persistently publish questionable re-inventions of the wheel.
 

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It's about the developing agent relationships. The buffering and target pH were being played around with by Kodak etc from day 1.

This is true, but that does not imply that the rest of the developer does not matter. It also does not imply that changing the ratios does not have desirable effects. Likewise, the right ratio with the wrong pH and buffer and other balancing produces bad outcomes. If everything were settled there would not be such a wide variety of developers that produce different results.

Yes, I agree with that.
It’s not reinventing the wheel. That’s the part where you and I will probably always differ.
 
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What you people must carry on, is that, people like you have to carry on with experiments. Otherwise, this fantastic tradition of black and white film development will be a lost and dead chapter in history. Archeologists will have to some day dig on the subject. There will be no Kodak lab, no BJP and others. I myself would like to contribute also, but, don't have the required knowledge of chemistry nor decades long experience.
 

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Thanks to Lachlan for this explanation.
Re phenidone inhibition effects, does this mean that phenidone/dimezone s is not only adsorbed on the grains but prevents the development of neighbouring grains? Is this similar to the effect when ascorbate is oxidized via the strong dehydroascorbic acid?
 
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