Jessestr
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Different film as well?
Same film stock.
Left one is a new HP5+ roll, right one was 2 years old and bulk rolled.
Different film as well?
I thought this was the syrup. Are there even older versions?So, now we know. The new HC-110 doesn't age as well as the old syrup.
That isn't the new HC-110. That is the version before the recent change in July of 2019.
The edge printing looks really different between those two films. Is there any chance the older film isn't what you think it is?
Try using the old HC-110 with your new film and new agitation.
That is the pre-July 2019 catalog number.I thought this was the syrup. Are there even older versions?
That is the pre-July 2019 catalog number.
It probably says made in Germany on it. The very recent new version is now made in the USA again, and is quite different.
Lots of people are looking for what you have.
Most likely it will work either identically or very similarly to the old stuff if used within its recommended time, but won't have the extraordinary longevity of the old stuff.Oh really? Is the new syrup that bad? I read it shouldn't make any difference though.
Most likely it will work either identically or very similarly to the old stuff if used within its recommended time, but won't have the extraordinary longevity of the old stuff.
I just shot the same scene again with the new agitation and NEW fresh HC-110. Same light metering, same exposure etc, .. WHAT a difference in density!!
Left is the new HC-110 bottle + different agitation: 4 turns at 30 sec interval - 30 second initial
Right 5 y/o bottle with this agitation scheme: 4 turns every minute - 10 second initial
As an extra... my old HC-110 bottle compared to the new one
That is the pre-July 2019 catalog number.
It probably says made in Germany on it. The very recent new version is now made in the USA again, and is quite different.
Lots of people are looking for what you have.
Same film stock.
Left one is a new HP5+ roll, right one was 2 years old and bulk rolled.
I've seen several anecdotal reports here and elsewhere that bulk rolled HP5+ looks completely different compared to standard HP5+, even if capable of similar results./QUOTE]
Do you believe this? Why would it look different - it's the same film. The other explanation is that for some reason Ilford make a bulk roll HP5+ to a different spec for reasons they keep secret. It sounds possibly inferior. Is it this way because bulk roll is cheaper per square inch? Have I said enough yet to make you wonder what the odds are this is true?
Oh and why make it different if at the end of the day it is capable of similar results?
pentaxuser
it might be worth it to do old bottle and new bottle with the same film, but keep agitation the same. Looking at the rebates, these don’t appear to be the same film.
I've seen several anecdotal reports here and elsewhere that bulk rolled HP5+ looks completely different compared to standard HP5+, even if capable of similar results. I'd be much more curious of seeing these new vs old HC-110 results on the same batch of film. Personally, I've played with a lot of different developers and have never had results like your bulk rolled HP5+. The base on mine is always a little bit purple and density stands out like on the new HP5+ results you posted
Your negatives appear to have adequate shadow density, so you are probably not under-exposing. If you are unhappy with low contrast, increase your development time. Burk also makes a good point. 5 minutes is at the raw border of being able to develop consistently for most folks. Consider increasing your dilution and using a longer, and more controllable, developing time. I think you now appreciate that trying to set up processing standards using a 5 year old, half used bottle of developer is practically a waste of time. For starting points on processing use the manufacturer's suggested developing times, not the hit or miss info in the MDC (should you be using the MDC).
As far as I aware, there are no instructions packaged with HC-110 - old or new.
The Kodak Alaris datasheet on the internet remains sort of unchanged since 2017 - the only reference to agitation is a footnote that reads:
1.Development on a reel, in a small roll-film tank, with manual agitation at 30-second intervals.
Those are new - but then I still have some in the old, round bottles, which had no instructions and hadn't noticed the peal-able label when I picked up those bottles to look at them in the store.They are instructions packaged with HC-110, you can peel of 3 layers in the label. It shows a lot of information actually. I attached it to this post.
Glad that there is no difference but taking a chance and flogging what may be a dead horse. is it your belief that it is your bulk roll that is different or that all HP5+ bulk roll is different from the HP5+ in cassettes?Update!!
I tried the same film stock with the old HC-110 and my new agitation method. It's slightly (almost not noticeable) less dense. So the HC-110 still works fine. It's probably the bulk roll HP5 which was the culprit or the agitation method.. or both![]()
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