Where are the well-used Leica M's?

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To preface, I recently sold my very nice 1955 M3. I liked how it felt and worked and the images it could make, but it didn’t get as much use as it should have. One big reason is it was just too nice. I couldn’t bring myself to treat a shiny 70 year old Leica the same as my Nikons, which have sometimes been rode hard and hung up wet. Believing that I shouldn’t be too precious about little chunks of metal, I let it go.

So where are the beat up film M’s? Is everyone today being a little too careful like me? Is the whole point to collect and invest and CLA endlessly such that the marketplace only presents shiny Veblen goods? Did they all become parts cameras or expensive black repaints?

Actual beaters show up now and then, but they are few and far between. Honestly though, that’s kind of what I want. Not an artificially and incorrectly relic’d (oh how I dislike that spelling) poser camera, or expensive brass-under-black-paint faux-tojournalist prop, just a ratty chrome M that otherwise works fine.

As is often the case, I suspect disappointment is in store. So what have you seen, and where?
 

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It seems you have to luck into them. Same with Nikon F black paint.....all too many collectors' closet queens...
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Yeah, there you go. That’d do nicely.

Actually, some time back I saw a very rough looking black chrome M4 on Etsy of all places. Price was good. I messed the seller (or, I wondered, image poster?) who responded, but mentioned the “low shutter count”. That kinda put me off since it’s not really a film camera term and impossible to verify even if it was. Too bad, it would’ve been perfect.
 

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Have you ever noticed that all the '67-'69 Camaros you see are Z-28's, Rally Sports or Super Sports?
Where are all the base-model grocery-getters?
Same issue....
 

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Yeah, there you go. That’d do nicely.

Actually, some time back I saw a very rough looking black chrome M4 on Etsy of all places. Price was good. I messed the seller (or, I wondered, image poster?) who responded, but mentioned the “low shutter count”. That kinda put me off since it’s not really a film camera term and impossible to verify even if it was. Too bad, it would’ve been perfect.

It takes a lot of effort to wear a black chrome M. They're pretty resistant to wear.
 
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Have you ever noticed that all the '67-'69 Camaros you see are Z-28's, Rally Sports or Super Sports?
Where are all the base-model grocery-getters?
Same issue....

Yes. Just like all ‘57 Chevies were apparently Bel Airs instead of lowly 150 sedans (which actually look better to me, especially in black. Eeeevil, in a good way).

I suppose that’s the essence of it: collectibility and resale potential vs real world usability likely drives what is commonly available and how it is treated after purchase.

For comparison, I recently bought a Nikkor 35mm f/1.4 on this forum, spotless glass but exterior well used. Perfect. Exactly the kind of equipment I need and appreciate. No worries when it inevitably gets knocked around.

I guess I’ll keep my eyes open for an M that’s already been devalued by enthusiastic picture taking.

It takes a lot of effort to wear a black chrome M. They're pretty resistant to wear.
True, chrome is quite durable. I could do it though!
 

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Yes. Just like all ‘57 Chevies were apparently Bel Airs instead of lowly 150 sedans (which actually look better to me, especially in black. Eeeevil, in a good way).

I suppose that’s the essence of it: collectibility and resale potential vs real world usability likely drives what is commonly available and how it is treated after purchase.

For comparison, I recently bought a Nikkor 35mm f/1.4 on this forum, spotless glass but exterior well used. Perfect. Exactly the kind of equipment I need and appreciate. No worries when it inevitably gets knocked around.

I guess I’ll keep my eyes open for an M that’s already been devalued by enthusiastic picture taking.


True, chrome is quite durable. I could do it though!

You got that one? I hesitated.... but i have a 105 to match...
 

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You got that one? I hesitated.... but i have a 105 to match...

Excellent, I see we have similar tastes in lovingly used equipment.

Yes, I picked up that 35mm a while back because I needed something wider than my 55 f/1.2 but always end up in the dark so faster is better. It required de-yellowing with a UV LED lamp but it cleared up nicely.

The reduced file size does not show all the detail that’s in the scan. 35mm f/1.4 @ 2.0 and 1/15 second, USA Fuji 400. The ghost flames on his pants leg were caused by the clear protective filter, oops.

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A genuinely beat-up M would likely have rangefinder problems that would be too expensive to fix. Other than the flaking off skin, a bit of brassing, and maybe a dent or two, there's not much beating up I'd expect to see on a usable M. My M3 looked like crap when I bought it but looks practically new after replacing the skin.

The one in the ebay listing linked above has a fairly nasty dent in the top plate that could have caused some problems in the camera. But other than that, cleaning that camera would make it look almost new. The lens is worth $25....

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Also looks like someone had pliers on the viewfinder ring.
 

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A couple years ago I got a just CLAed M2 for $1200 on eBay. It has a ding or two and some wear marks but works flawlessly. M2s in decent user shape seem to be generally more available.
 

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If you dont feel comfortable using a pristine M body, buy a pristine and CLA's M body and sandpaper it. Then you at least know that there is a decent camera underneath that rough skin.
 
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